Dispersion: expansion of wavenumber as function of omega

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This discussion focuses on the relationship between wavenumber (k) and angular frequency (ω) in wave propagation, particularly in optics and quantum mechanics. The first derivative of k(ω) represents the inverse of group velocity (1/v_g), while the second derivative relates to group velocity dispersion (1/α). The conversation highlights the implications when group velocity (v_g) or group velocity dispersion (α) approaches zero, leading to infinite coefficients in the expansion of k(ω). The participants clarify that while k(ω) and ω(k) are two expressions of the same function, their derivatives exhibit distinct reciprocal relationships.

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Hi!
Dealing about wave propagation in a medium and dispersion, wavenumber k can be considered as a function of \omega (as done in Optics) or vice-versa (as maybe done more often in Quantum Mechanics). In the first case,

k (\omega) \simeq k(\omega_0) + (\omega - \omega_0) \displaystyle \left. \frac{dk(\omega)}{d \omega} \right|_{\omega = \omega_0} + \frac{1}{2} (\omega - \omega_0)^2 \left. \frac{d^2 k(\omega)}{d\omega^2} \right|_{\omega = \omega_0}

where first derivative is the inverse of group velocity 1/v_g and the second derivative is (maybe?) inverse of group velocity dispersion 1 / \alpha.

In the second case,

\omega (k) \simeq \omega(k_0) + (k - k_0) \displaystyle \left. \frac{d\omega(k)}{d k} \right|_{k = k_0} + \frac{1}{2} (k - k_0)^2 \left. \frac{d^2 \omega(k)}{dk^2} \right|_{k = k_0}

where the first derivative is the group velocity itself v_g and the second derivative is the group velocity dispersion itself \alpha.

But what about the limit-cases, when for some reason v_g = 0 or \alpha = 0? The latter case is maybe more common: it would imply that, in a medium, for a signal whose group velocity doesn't vary with frequency, the second order term in the k(\omega) expansion has an infinite coefficient.
 
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Considering the simplest case, the one regarding plane waves,

k = \omega / v

with v constant.

d\omega/dk = v = v_g is the group velocity and dk/d\omega = 1/v = 1/v_g is the reciprocal of the group velocity.

d^2 \omega/dk^2 = \alpha = 0 is the group velocity dispersion; so, the reciprocal of the group velocity dispersion should be 1 / \alpha \to \infty. But also d^2 k / d \omega^2 = 1/\alpha (?) = 0.

How is it possible!?
 
\frac{d^2\omega}{dk^2} does not equal \left[\frac{d^2 k}{d\omega^2}\right]^{-1}, as you have demonstrated.
\omega'' is the dispersion. In either optics or QM, you can use \omega(k) or k(\omega).
They are just two different ways of expressing the same mathematical function.
 
Meir Achuz said:
In either optics or QM, you can use \omega(k) or k(\omega).
They are just two different ways of expressing the same mathematical function.

Ok!

Meir Achuz said:
\frac{d^2\omega}{dk^2} does not equal \left[\frac{d^2 k}{d\omega^2}\right]^{-1}, as you have demonstrated.

However, as regards the first derivative, d\omega / dk = v_g and dk/d\omega = 1/v_g, so they are exactly reciprocal. If you take the unit measures, they are reciprocal too. So, here is still my doubt.
 

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