Dispersion relations and Plasma

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The discussion revolves around the dispersion relation for plasma and its implications during the re-entry of a spacecraft, specifically focusing on the calculation of electron density and plasma thickness based on observed radio wave behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate electron density using the provided dispersion relation and expresses uncertainty regarding the second part of the problem related to plasma thickness. Some participants suggest using the exponential decay of the electric field amplitude in a plasma, while others question the interpretation of the wave number 'k' and its potential to be imaginary.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the behavior of electromagnetic waves in plasma. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach the second part of the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation yet.

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The original poster notes difficulty finding relevant information in their textbook and online resources, indicating potential constraints in available references for the problem.

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Homework Statement


The dispersion relation for a plasma is given by

k^{2}=\frac{\omega^{2}}{c^{2}}(1-\frac{\omega^{2}_{p}}{\omega^{2}})\omega^{2}_{p}\:= \frac{Ne^{2}}{m_{e}\epsilon_{0}}

Where N is the electron density

During re enrty of a spacecraft there was a radio blackout of all frequencies up to 10^10 Hz because it was surrounded by a plasma. Calculate the electron density in the plasma surrounding the spacecraft .

Sensitive equipment detected EM radio waves at 10^9 Hz at an amplitude of 10% of that before re entry. Calculate the thickness of the plasma.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Got the first part easily enough, by substituting in the expression for \omega^{2}_{p}, then solving \frac{Ne^{2}}{\omega^{2}m_{e}\epsilon_{0}}=1 for N to get N= 1.24x10^18. I don't really have any idea about how to go about the second part, I can't find anything about it in my textbook (I S Grant & W R Phillips Electromagnetism) or on the old googles

Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks
 
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Since the frequency is below the plasma frequency your 'k' will be imaginary. That means the wave will exponentially decay. So you will have something like E = E_0*exp(-kx). And you know the amplitude is decreased by 10%, so you are left with something like... 0.10 = exp(-k*x)

Now you just solve for 'x', and that is roughly how far the wave had to attenuate through before it escaped
 
Hi

thanks for the reply. I don't think I quite follow though. K is the wave number, given by 2pi/lambda isn't it? How can that be imaginary? k would be 2pi/0.3 recurring for EM of 10^9 Hz... Would my answer then just be 0.10=exp(x2pi/0.3) solve for x?
 
The wave is in a plasma, so the dispersion relation w=ck doesn't apply anymore. Use the dispersion relation you listed above.
 

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