Distance Expansion When Moving Away from an Object?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of relative motion on the perception of distances between objects in the context of special relativity. Participants explore concepts such as length contraction and how distances are perceived by observers in different inertial frames, particularly when moving towards or away from objects.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a rocket moving towards planet C at a significant fraction of the speed of light, questioning whether distances to other planets contract or expand based on the direction of motion.
  • Another participant asserts that the distances to both planets A and B will contract as perceived by the astronauts in the rocket.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that, from the rocket's perspective, the distances between planets A and B and B and C will both be perceived as contracted to 5 light years, leading to a total distance of 10 light years between A and C.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between what an observer sees at a moment versus how distances are assigned in their inertial frame, highlighting common misconceptions in discussing relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement among participants regarding the effects of motion on perceived distances. Some assert that distances contract, while others suggest that distances may expand when moving away from an object. The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the interpretation of these relativistic effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which length contraction and distance perception occur, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and interpretations of distances in different inertial frames.

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In a physics video on YouTube it's told that moving away from an object causes eextension of the length.

(Link: from 6:00, but video is Norwegian)

Imagine:

From planet B to planet C, the distance is 20 light years.
And from planet A to planet B the distance is 20 light years.
We are on planet B and observing it from there.

A rocket is moving towards the planet C with velocity 0.9685c relative to us.

In this case the Lorentz factor will be ca 4.

In the picture below, the rocket is right below the planet B.

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So the astronauts will see the distance to the planet C as 20/4 = 5 light years. This is called length contraction.

But they are moving away from planet A. So they'll observe the distance to planet A as 4*20 = 80 light years.

Is this true?

Does the distance contraction happen only if the object is moving towards the other object?

And the distance will extend if the object is moving away from the other object?

Or the distance both to planet A and B will contract?
 

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Karagoz said:
Is this true?
No.
 
Karagoz said:
Or the distance both to planet A and B will contract?

Yes!
 
As far as the rocket is concerned, the distance between planets A and B and the distance between planets B and C will both be 5 light years and the total distance between planets A and C will be 10 light years.
 
Karagoz said:
So the astronauts will see the distance to the planet C as 20/4 = 5 light years. This is called length contraction.
Karagoz said:
So they'll observe
As always with relativity, you have to distinguish what an observer actually sees at some moment, i.e., what light signals arrive to the observer at that moment, from how things appear in that observer's inertial frame, i.e., what time and space coordinates the observer assigns to different events. This is a very common source of confusion and a bad use of language in my opinion. The typical thing to do in relativity is to deal with space-time coordinates and this is typically what is meant by colloquial phrases such as "observer A sees". I try to avoid such phrases when teaching and instead stick to more precise formulations.
 

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