How Far Is the Star Cluster with Apparent Magnitude 15 mag and B-V of 1.39 mag?

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The discussion centers on calculating the distance to a star cluster with an apparent magnitude of 15 mag and a color index of B-V = 1.39 mag, using Vega as a reference. The calculations involve determining the intrinsic brightness of the cluster's stars, accounting for interstellar reddening, and applying the distance modulus formula. A key point of confusion arises from the proper handling of the intrinsic color index, with suggestions that it should be set to zero based on Vega's spectral type. After correcting for this, the calculated distance to the cluster is approximately 2249 parsecs, which raises concerns about its feasibility. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately applying astrophysical equations and understanding the underlying concepts.
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Homework Statement


Question: Vega is a star of spectral type A0V at a distance of 7.76pc and has by definition
##m V =m B =0.0\space mag.##

Observations of a star cluster show, that all stars in the cluster with a spectral type A0V have an apparent magnitude of ##m V =15 \space mag## and a colour index of ##B-V=1.39 \space mag ##. Assuming an interstellar reddening law of ##A V /E(B-V)=3.2##, calculate the distance of this star cluster.

Homework Equations


$$m-M=5log(d/10) \space [1]$$
$$E(B-V)=(B-V)-(B-V)_0 \space [2]$$
$$m_v=M_v+5log(d)-5+A_v \space [3]$$

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Step 1: To calculate the intrinsic brightness which is ##(B-V)_0## so I used vega to do so.
I did this because according to wiki intrinsic brightness is a measure of absolute magnitude. So my reasoning is that if as the cluster and vega are in the same spectral band then they would sahre the same absolute magnitudes.

$$0-M_v=5log(7.76/10)=0.55$$

Step 2: Substituting this into my equation 2 as follows i.e colour excess equation.

$$E(B-V)=1.39-0.55=0.84$$

Step 3: Rearange the equation ##A V /E(B-V)=3.2## to calculate the extinction value ##A_v##

$$A_v=(3.2)(0.84)=2.69$$

Step 4: Using equation ##[3]## the modified distance modulus and rearanging to make ##d## the subject, I make ##d## the following:

$$10^{\frac{m_v -M_v+5-A_v}{5}}=d$$$$10^{\frac{15 -0.55+5-2.69}{5}}=2249pc$$

This to me seem quite far out, and in practical term I don't think it is possible. Have I made a wrong calculation or is my assumption in the first step completely wrong, or have I complete miss understood the question.

Any advice would be much appreciated thanks in advance.
 
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Taylor_1989 said:
$$0-M_v=5log(7.76/10)=0.55$$
Sign?
 
@haruspex what do you mean by Sign?
 
Taylor_1989 said:
@haruspex what do you mean by Sign?

I think you forgot a negative sign here:
log(0.776) is negative.
 
Alloymouse said:
I think you forgot a negative sign here:
log(0.776) is negative.
Sorry I automatically carred it though so, that my fault for missing the step, so it should read $$M_v=0.55$$
 
Taylor_1989 said:
Sorry I automatically carred it though so, that my fault for missing the step, so it should read $$M_v=0.55$$
Ok.
But I am not a cosmologist, so I am snowed by the plethora of variables, none of which are defined.
Would you mind adding some clarification, or maybe a link?
mV
mB
B
V
E, or is it a function E()?
A, or is it a variable AV?
m
M
(B-V)0
mv
Mv
Av
 
Taylor_1989 said:

Homework Statement


Question: Vega is a star of spectral type A0V at a distance of 7.76pc and has by definition
##m V =m B =0.0\space mag.##

Observations of a star cluster show, that all stars in the cluster with a spectral type A0V have an apparent magnitude of ##m V =15 \space mag## and a colour index of ##B-V=1.39 \space mag ##. Assuming an interstellar reddening law of ##A V /E(B-V)=3.2##, calculate the distance of this star cluster.

Homework Equations


$$m-M=5log(d/10) \space [1]$$
$$E(B-V)=(B-V)-(B-V)_0 \space [2]$$
$$m_v=M_v+5log(d)-5+A_v \space [3]$$

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Step 1: To calculate the intrinsic brightness which is ##(B-V)_0## so I used vega to do so.
I did this because according to wiki intrinsic brightness is a measure of absolute magnitude. So my reasoning is that if as the cluster and vega are in the same spectral band then they would sahre the same absolute magnitudes.

$$0-M_v=5log(7.76/10)=0.55$$

Step 2: Substituting this into my equation 2 as follows i.e colour excess equation.

$$E(B-V)=1.39-0.55=0.84$$

Step 3: Rearange the equation ##A V /E(B-V)=3.2## to calculate the extinction value ##A_v##

$$A_v=(3.2)(0.84)=2.69$$

Step 4: Using equation ##[3]## the modified distance modulus and rearanging to make ##d## the subject, I make ##d## the following:

$$10^{\frac{m_v -M_v+5-A_v}{5}}=d$$$$10^{\frac{15 -0.55+5-2.69}{5}}=2249pc$$

This to me seem quite far out, and in practical term I don't think it is possible. Have I made a wrong calculation or is my assumption in the first step completely wrong, or have I complete miss understood the question.

Any advice would be much appreciated thanks in advance.
I think for the step on finding E(B-V), you just need to sub (B-V) as 0 as the Stars in the cluster have the same spectral type as Vega. Hence you should get E(B-V) to be -1.39.

Take my point with a pinch of salt though, it's been a while since I last did stuff like this.
 
Okay first @haruspex sorry for not labelling the equations correctly, but after redoing the question and a bit of research through some books @Alloymouse is correct I should have set ##(B-V)_0=0##. I am new to the como stuff as it something I am not very intresed in but unfortunately a compulsory module.

But thank you all for the help
 
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