Distinct powers of z=cosa*pi+isina*pi

  • Thread starter Thread starter StephenPrivitera
  • Start date Start date
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on determining the number of distinct powers of the complex number z = cos(aπ) + i sin(aπ) based on whether a is rational or irrational. For rational a expressed as p/q, it is established that there are q distinct powers if p is even and 2q if p is odd. The participants explore methods to derive these results, including the relationship between angles and multiples of 2π. When a is irrational, it is concluded that there are infinitely many distinct powers, as no two angles can differ by a multiple of 2π. The conversation emphasizes the significance of prime factorization in understanding the relationships between p, q, and k in the context of rational numbers.
StephenPrivitera
Messages
360
Reaction score
0
How many distinct powers of z=cosa[pi]+isina[pi] are there if a is rational? Irrational?
Concerning the rational part of the question, it was easy to show that if a=p/q, then there are q distinct powers of z if p is even, and 2q if p is odd.
(q+n)p[pi]/q=p[pi]+np[pi]/q (p is even)
(2q+n)p[pi]/q=2p[pi]+np[pi]/q (p is odd)
I was wondering for this instance if there is a more direct way to get the answer (as opposed to just chosing q+n for n). For example, I at first attempted to write an equation such that the difference between two angles is a multiple of 2[pi].
n2p[pi]/q - n1p[pi]/q=k2[pi]
k is some positive integer
(p/q)[pi](n2 - n1)=k2[pi]
But this method has poor results.
n2 - n1=2kq/p
...
As for the second instance, I haven't the slightest clue how to go about showing that there is an infinite number of distinct powers. My equation above certainly would have no application here because there should be no two angles that have a difference that is a multiple of 2[pi]. And as for just arbitrarily selecting values of n, I don't think that will get me very far since I will have to select an infinite number of n's to show there is no repeat.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Originally posted by StephenPrivitera
For example, I at first attempted to write an equation such that the difference between two angles is a multiple of 2[pi].
You're looking for the smallest natural number n that satisfies

na[pi]= k*2[pi], or
na=2k

Now, let a = p/q, then
np=2qk

p and q have no common factor larger than 1.
So, If p is odd, then p=k, so n=2q.
If p is even, then p=2k, so n=q.

As you already stated correctly.

Now, what solutions does na=2k have if a is irrational? :wink:
 


Originally posted by arcnets

So, If p is odd, then p=k, so n=2q.
If p is even, then p=2k, so n=q.
Your work has the exact same result as mine (n=2kq/p), but I was unable to determine what value k takes on.
I need to know how you determined p=k ... before I can answer this:
Originally posted by arcnets

Now, what solutions does na=2k have if a is irrational? :wink:
 


Originally posted by StephenPrivitera
I need to know how you determined p=k
OK. You know that each integer can be factorized into primes in a unique way. Examples:
60 = 2*2*3*5
85 = 5*19
...
Low let a be rational, i.e. a = p/q. If p and q have any common prime factors, then we can divide them out. Let's assume we have already done this, so p and q have no common prime factors.

Now, if np = 2qk, then the prime factors on both sides are the same.

Now, let p be odd. This means, n is even. Let n = 2n'.
Then, 2n'p = 2qk, or n'p = qk.
Any prime factor of p cannot be in q, so it must be in k. And vice versa, no prime factor of q can be in p, so it must be in n'.
This yields p = k and q = n', so n = 2q.

Now, let p be even. Then let p = 2p', so 2np' = 2qk, or np' = qk.
The same argument as above yields p' = k and n = q.
 
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...

Similar threads

2
Replies
60
Views
11K
2
Replies
86
Views
13K
Replies
48
Views
11K
Replies
19
Views
4K
Back
Top