Distinct zeros of irreducible polynomial

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The discussion revolves around the properties of irreducible polynomials over fields, particularly focusing on the distinctness of their roots. Participants explore the implications of irreducibility and separability in the context of polynomial roots, examining proofs and reasoning related to these concepts.

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  • One participant questions the claim that all roots of an irreducible polynomial are distinct, providing an example where repeated roots could exist.
  • Another participant argues that in fields of characteristic zero, irreducible polynomials are separable, meaning they must split into distinct linear factors in their splitting field.
  • A participant presents a proof strategy involving the relationship between a polynomial and its derivative, suggesting that if a polynomial has multiple roots, it would lead to a contradiction regarding the degrees of the minimal polynomial and the original polynomial.
  • Another participant affirms the validity of the proof strategy, clarifying that if the minimal polynomial divides both the polynomial and its derivative, it leads to an impossibility due to degree constraints.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the proofs and concepts discussed. While some agree on the implications of irreducibility and separability, there is no consensus on the clarity or completeness of the proofs presented.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between polynomials and their derivatives, as well as the conditions under which irreducible polynomials can have distinct roots. There are unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of the proofs and the assumptions made about the fields involved.

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This claim is supposed to be true. Assume that p\in\mathbb{F}[X] is an irreducible polynomial over a field \mathbb{F}\subset\mathbb{C}. Also assume that

<br /> p(X)=(X-z_1)\cdots (X-z_N)<br />

holds with some z_1,\ldots, z_N\in\mathbb{C}. Now all z_1,\ldots, z_N are distinct.

Why is this claim true?

For example, if z_1=z_2, then (X-z_1)^2 divides p, but I see no reason to assume that (X-z_1)^2\in\mathbb{F}[X], so the claim remains a mystery to me.
 
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This is because every field F of characteristic zero is a perfect field. This means that every irreducible polynomial over F is separable ( splits in the splitting field with distinct linear factors ).

A polynomial p(x) has multiple roots in the splitting field, iff the polynomials p(x) and Dp(x) [its formal derivative ] have a root in common. In other words, if c is the root of p(x), the minimal polynomial of c over F will divide both p(x) and Dp(x). So, if p(x) has multiple roots in the splitting field, p(x) and Dp(x) are not co-prime.

Assume p(x) in F[x] is irreducible, and has degree n. Then, Dp(x) is degree n - 1; however, p(x) is irreducible, so its only factors in a factorization are p( x ) and constants. So, since Dp(x) is degree n -1 < n, its non-constant factors must be degree d: 1 <= d <= n - 1. So, p(x ) and Dp(x) do not have any common non-unit factors, and hence the polynomials are co-prime. So, p(x) is separable
 
Thank you for the good answer, but I did not understand the purpose of every part of it. Is there something wrong with proof like this:

Assume that p\in\mathbb{F}[X] has a zero x of higher degree than one. Now Dp\in\mathbb{F}[X] has the same zero. Let m be the minimial polynomial of x in \mathbb{F}. Now m|p and m|Dp, so in particular m|p with such m that its degree is less than the degree of p, which is a contradiction.
 
There isn't anything wrong with saying it like that. That's the idea: if p is irreducible over F, then p is a minimal polynomial ( once you scale it to be monic ), of some x which is a root in the splitting field. If x is also a root of Dp, then the minimal polynomial of x has to divide Dp. As Dp has a smaller degree, this is impossible.
This is exactly what was going on in the last paragraph. Actually it's a proof (although it's pretty trivial ) of the obvious fact that since Dp has smaller degree, the minimal polynomial cannot divide Dp. the irreducible factors of Dp must have degree <= n - 1. But the minimal polynomial must be degree n, and if the min polynomial divided Dp, it would appear in the decomposition of Dp into irreducibles
 

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