Do changes in frequency affect resistance in electrical circuits?

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The discussion centers on whether changes in frequency affect resistance in electrical circuits, specifically examining both AC and DC contexts. Participants explore concepts related to resistance, reactance, impedance, and the behavior of electrons in conductive materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that resistance is independent of frequency, while reactance is frequency dependent.
  • Others introduce the concept of impedance, which includes DC resistance and varies with frequency due to inductive and capacitive reactance.
  • A participant questions whether the amplitude of a sine wave affects the resistive flow of electrons, suggesting that a narrower amplitude might reduce resistance.
  • Another participant clarifies that in AC, electrons do not follow a sine wave path but rather move in one direction when the voltage is positive and the opposite when negative.
  • There are discussions about the skin effect at high frequencies, where electron flow occurs at the surface of conductors, and how this might influence resistance measurements.
  • A participant speculates on the relationship between electron behavior, Cooper pairing, and conductivity, suggesting that fewer outer orbitals in certain materials might lead to lower resistance.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between frequency and resistance, with some asserting independence while others highlight frequency-dependent factors like reactance and impedance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of sine wave amplitude on resistance.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various concepts such as Cooper pairing, skin effect, and the behavior of electrons in AC versus DC circuits, indicating a complex interplay of factors that influence resistance and impedance. Some assumptions about electron behavior and material properties remain unaddressed.

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Does anybody know if the Resistance changes in the flow of Electrons when the Electrical frequency increases or decreases.

Lowest end frequencies to the Highest end Frequencies.

For both AC and DC.

Is there a chart?:smile:
 
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Resistance is independent of frequency, but reactance is frequency dependent.
 
Another term for it is Impedance. The Impedance of a circuit has three components: The DC resistance which is the fixed minimum, then Inductive and Capacitive Reactance which add vectorial and vary with frequency. The vectorial addition of the Reactive components is generally handled as a phase angle in the imaginary plane.
 
Does the Sin Wave Amplitude (Narrow to Wide) change the resistive flow of Electrons in a known conductor of a fixed Ohm?

Seems like the Electrons would have less resistance with a narrower Sin wave Amplitude.

It seems like if an Electron had Zero Amplitude (True Linear) it would flow through a circuit with less resistance by making a narrower path between local conductive Electrons with less interference.

Or am I chasing my tail?:smile:
 
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Did you mean wavelength (inverse of frequency) instead of amplitude (size of signal)?

The impedance (sum of resistive and reactive) is going to vary with frequency for pretty much any conductor, even the specification sheets for wire will list the DC resistance, inductive, and capacitive properties.

Since electricity is more logical as the flow of the wave, where each individual electron may impart its energy onto its neighbors like dominos, the behavior of an individual electron isn't really too important until the temperature is cold enough that superconduction occurs (at which point they start to pair up and 'share' the resitance).

There are, of course, many exceptions like the skin effect that occurs at extremely high frequenices (the electron flow happens at the outside of the conductor, it acts more like a hollow wire) where something like Litz wire is used to maximize the skin area by having many separate individually insulated conductors nearby. Or like a biflar winding in alternate directions to minimize inductance and so on.

Regardless, with a frequency generator and a wheatstone bridge you can measure the impedance of a component and at least accurately predict its behavior just from that measurement.
 
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Did you mean wavelength (inverse of frequency) instead of amplitude (size of signal)?
The impedance (sum of resistive and reactive) is going to vary with frequency for pretty much any conductor, even the specification sheets for wire will list the DC resistance, inductive, and capacitive properties.
Since electricity is more logical as the flow of the wave, where each individual electron may impart its energy onto its neighbors like dominos, the behavior of an individual electron isn't really too important until the temperature is cold enough that superconduction occurs (at which point they start to pair up and 'share' the resitance).
There are, of course, many exceptions like the skin effect that occurs at extremely high frequenices (the electron flow happens at the outside of the conductor, it acts more like a hollow wire) where something like Litz wire is used to maximize the skin area by having many separate individually insulated conductors nearby. Or like a biflar winding in alternate directions to minimize inductance and so on.
Regardless, with a frequency generator and a wheatstone bridge you can measure the impedance of a component and at least accurately predict its behavior just from that measurement.


Thanks Cliff, That answers a lot of my questions.

I wish I had my own Scope Laboratory, That would be sweet!

The questions I was asking were related to a thought that clicked in my mind that the Electron current itself could be manipulated to pose less resistance in/on a conductor with less resistance and that Cooper pairing may not be needed to pose less resistance.

I have some very good Periodic Tables that show good detail about conductivity and Electron Orbitals, Like Silver, A fairly exceptional conductor having only one Electron in its most outer orbit, This would seem that having only one outer Orbital would allow it to be a good conductor because there is less electron resistance in only having one outer orbital, Then things get botched up when the thought of cooper pairing takes place because now there are two Electrons that buddy up which conflict with the single orbital resistance thought.

But then I start thinking that the cooper pairing is making the orbital field more Negative than the Electrons being conducted as current and causing the current to keep its distance from the cooper paired Atom. [Negative] <> [Negative+Negative] so the cooper pair has a stronger negative electron field and pushes the current away, this to me seems like the cooper pairs are producing some sort of of maglift effect between Atoms and allows the current to pass by the Atoms without the current hitting any local conductive electrons.

All strange but fascinating.:smile:
 
Does the Sin Wave Amplitude (Narrow to Wide) change the resistive flow of Electrons in a known conductor of a fixed Ohm?

Normally you see a plot of Voltage on the vertical axis, and time on the horizontal axis. 'Amplitude' of the sine wave on this type of graph is representative of Voltage.

Seems like the Electrons would have less resistance with a narrower Sin wave Amplitude.

I think you've got a bad mental picture of what's going on. In AC, the electrons don't follow a sine wave path. The speed of the electrons is relative to the sine wave. The electrons actually are going one directon straight down the wire when the Voltage sine wave is positive, then come the other direction when the sine wave dips negative. This is opposed to DC where the electrons all flow down the wire in one direction continuously.

So as for the question, No. However a thicker wire does indeed have less resistance than a thin one because of more 'room' for electron travell.


It seems like if an Electron had Zero Amplitude (True Linear) it would flow through a circuit with less resistance by making a narrower path between local conductive Electrons with less interference.

As I've pointed out above, if the sine wave is at 0 amplitude, the electron is going nowhere. Remember, they travel straight up or down the wire in both AC and DC.
 

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