Do magnets lose strength by pulling them apart?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnets when they are pulled apart and the energy dynamics involved in their interactions. Participants explore concepts of potential and kinetic energy, the effects of magnetic fields, and the implications of energy transfer during these interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when two magnets are pulled apart, energy is applied and stored as potential energy, which converts back to kinetic energy when they move towards each other.
  • Another participant questions the energy dynamics when a smaller magnet is tossed past a larger magnet, asking where the energy for the curved path comes from.
  • It is noted that changing the angle of motion does not necessarily require energy, as a force applied at right angles does no work.
  • One participant mentions that energy is lost due to eddy currents induced when conductive magnets pass each other, attributing this energy loss to the person tossing the magnets.
  • There is a discussion about whether work is done when magnets pull towards each other, with some participants affirming that potential energy is converted to kinetic energy as they approach.
  • A participant draws an analogy to gravitational interactions, questioning if similar energy dynamics apply when masses are pulled apart.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy dynamics involved in the interaction of magnets, particularly regarding whether energy is lost or conserved and how potential energy is converted to kinetic energy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts of potential and kinetic energy, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of energy loss and the conditions under which work is done in magnetic interactions.

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When two magnets already sticked to each other being pulled apart, energy is applied, so I assume that the energy is stored like some sort of potential energy which will be turned back into kinetic energy when they accelerate towards each other to stick back together. So the magnet itself doesn't lose or gain anything.

But few days ago,I found that when I toss a smaller magnet pass a larger magnet with the correct speed, distance and angle, the path of the smaller magnet will be curved by the larger one but not actually colliding into it. The event itself must have used energy, right? So where did the energy come from? Does that mean the larger magnet is actually spending its own energy,or I'm wrong at the very beginning?
 
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Young physicist said:
The event itself must have used energy, right? So where did the energy come from?
Changing the angle at which something travels does not necessarily use energy. A force applied at right angles to the direction of motion does no work because there is no motion in the direction of the applied force.

However, it is true that a bit of energy is lost when conductive magnets pass by one another. The changing magnetic fields induce eddy currents in each other. The energy for this comes from the person that tossed the magnets past one another. [It is, more or less, the same effect that is used in electric generators].
 
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The reason why no work is being done is that the magnet PULLS the other magnet towards it and not away from it. Is that correct?
 
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...but not actually colliding into it.
Why do you think this would make any difference compared to your first paragraph? If it speeds up by getting closer, it trades PE for KE, and in reverse when it passed the closest approach.
 
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Young physicist said:
When two magnets already sticked to each other being pulled apart, energy is applied, so I assume that the energy is stored like some sort of potential energy which will be turned back into kinetic energy when they accelerate towards each other to stick back together. So the magnet itself doesn't lose or gain anything.

Correct.

But few days ago,I found that when I toss a smaller magnet pass a larger magnet with the correct speed, distance and angle, the path of the smaller magnet will be curved by the larger one but not actually colliding into it. The event itself must have used energy, right? So where did the energy come from? Does that mean the larger magnet is actually spending its own energy,or I'm wrong at the very beginning?

See paragraph 1!

By curving towards the large magnet it gets closer than it was. So one of the magnetic potential energy is used up.Consider this paragraph...

When two masses already sticked to each other by gravity being pulled apart, energy is applied, so I assume that the energy is stored like some sort of potential energy which will be turned back into kinetic energy when they accelerate towards each other to stick back together. So the mass itself doesn't lose or gain anything.

Look familiar?

What happens when a space rock flies past a planet?
 

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