Do orbits in diamagnetic materials align to external magnetic fields?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electron orbits in diamagnetic materials in the presence of external magnetic fields. Participants explore the nature of diamagnetism, particularly whether the paired electron orbits in diamagnetic substances like copper realign with external magnetic fields, contrasting this with the behavior of ferromagnetic materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the electron spins and orbits in diamagnetic materials realign with external magnetic fields, noting that diamagnets have a zero net magnetic moment due to paired electrons.
  • Another participant asserts that all materials with a magnetic moment experience torque in applied magnetic fields, implying a response from diamagnetic materials.
  • A different participant suggests that while perfect diamagnets expel external fields (like superconductors), the question may not be meaningful in that context.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the behavior of electron spins in relation to their orbits, particularly in the absence of external magnetic fields, and seeks clarification on whether the spin plane aligns with the orbital plane.
  • Another participant states that in diamagnetic compounds, the orientation of spins does not change, using helium as an example where spins are paired into a singlet.
  • There is mention of the effect of external magnetic fields causing s-orbitals to mix with higher angular momentum functions, leading to the acquisition of a magnetic moment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether electron orbits in diamagnetic materials realign with external magnetic fields. There is no consensus on the implications of diamagnetism or the behavior of electron spins in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various aspects of diamagnetism, including the nature of paired electrons, the behavior of free electrons in metals, and the theoretical implications of magnetic fields on electron orbits. Some assumptions about the behavior of electrons and the definitions of diamagnetism may not be fully articulated.

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Hi, I am having a question about diamagnetism. I understand that ferromagnets realign with external magnetic fields. I know that besides diamagnets like copper, bismuth, that all matter exhibit some diamagnetism to some degree. I wonder though if these paired electron filled orbits of diamagnets realign with the external magnetic field? This seems like very simple self explained question since, how other wise diamagnetism would be formed?. But, I am not 100% sure that I understand this correct?

So , do the electron spin and electron orbits of diamagnetic materials like copper realign to magnetic fields?

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All materials with a magnetic moment will experience a torque in applied magnetic fields.
Do you know how diamagnetism works?
 
Hi, yes but diamagnets have a zero net magnetic moment, electrons are paired. still there is still a small eddy current like effect with the paired electrons left when an external magnetic field is applied so the magnetic field of an ordinary stationary magnet respells diamagnets a the paired electrons are both accelerated and braked in their orbits. Anyway, I was wondering if the imaginary orbits also realign in diamagnets just like ferromagnets. I am just not sure.
 
Well - a perfect diamagnet expels all external fields - i.e. a superconductor.
So the question doesn't mean anything in those terms.

Note: metals exhibit diamagnetism but the free electrons are not localized to orbitals.

I think you need to revisit the theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism#Theory
... reasonable start.
 
thanks, I will see :)
 
I am trying to understand this, as I am reading as much I can, but I have to really understand one thing first, it would be so helpful to know so with fear of getting out of topic :

The electron can only have two spins only as it orbits around the nucleous. If we apply a magnetic field on an unpaired electron (say in a non conductor so the electron is bound to the orbit), the electron spin will reorient only either up or down to the external magnetic field( and yes as it precess around the field).
Now, without external magnetic fields. since the electron orbit is basically "an external magnetic field" the electron should either always and only spin parallel or anti parallel to the orbit. Do I understand this part correctly? if my point isn't clear here is a simplified question:

An electron orbit is occurring on a plane of x,y, this electron is always and only spinning as well in the same x,y plan of the orbital regardless if the spin is up or down. So, Is the electron spin plane always the exact same as the orbit plane of the same electron?

thanks
 
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The orientation of the spins doesn't change in diamagnetic compounds. In the simplest case, a Helium atom, the spins are paired into a singlet and the question about the orientation of the spins makes no sense. Rather under the perturbation of the magnetic field, the s-orbitals admix some contribution of functions with higher angular momentum - namely p - so that they accquire some magnetic moment.
 

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