Do Physical Appearance and Shared Interests Affect Attraction Equally?

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The discussion centers around the challenges of dating and the perceived superficiality of both men and women in relationships. Participants note that many men set high standards for women, often seeking unattainable ideals, while some women exhibit similar superficial tendencies, focusing on physical appearance or financial status. The conversation highlights a surplus of available, intelligent women in certain areas, contrasting with the perceived lack of suitable men. There is a recognition that social skills and character traits, such as integrity and the ability to provide comfort, play significant roles in attraction. Participants also discuss the impact of societal expectations and media portrayals on dating behaviors, suggesting that unrealistic standards can hinder meaningful connections. Overall, the thread reflects on the complexities of modern dating dynamics, emphasizing the importance of genuine interaction and the need for both genders to reassess their expectations.
  • #91
Loren Booda said:
What would it take for a guy to date a woman, knowing that sex was out of the equation?
Well, first he would have to ask the woman, and secondly she would have to accept the date.

Why would you want to date someone if sex was out of the question? It defeats the purpose of dating.
The purpose of dating is to get to know the other person, and enjoy the company or companionship of the other person. I never expected to have sex as the result of a date.
 
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  • #92
cyrusabdollahi said:
Why would you want to date someone if sex was out of the question? It defeats the purpose of dating.

OMG, Cyrus. You tell it as it is. No one else in this thread has been honest thus far! :approve:
 
  • #93
cyrusabdollahi said:
Why would you want to date someone if sex was out of the question? It defeats the purpose of dating.

Well, it all depends, but I definitely wouldn't call sex the purpose of dating.

Btw, there are other ways to get sex, without intensive dating or so (and no, I'm not referring to prostitutes!).
 
  • #94
I want sex, and if she didn't for whatever reason, then she's cut. Sorry, that's what I want.

The thing is that everyone might confuse that with sex is all that I want. When it is not. I wouldn't do one night stands. I have once and won't do it just because I feel better sleeping with someone I admire. But if the person I admire doesn't want to sleep with me, I'll go find someone else. Why stay if my needs are already not being met?

Yeah, yeah, yeah you can still have fun without sex. I know that and have fun without sex. I never said that fun only comes from sex. All that I am saying, and I am sure Cyrus is also, is that I like sex and I enjoy it. Why deprive myself of it? There are so many fish in the sea that if one won't do it, another one will.

I probably would never sleep with a girl after the first date, but I pretty much make out with them everytime (if I like her). But if she wanted to go down on me, that's fine. No sex though. Although some people count that as sex, I don't.

It's funny because I have rules regarding it. I won't say what they are, but I do know some people that I have told now follow them. Why? It allows you to weed out the possibility of ending up in a relationship with no sex. Or one with very little sex.
 
  • #95
JasonRox said:
But if she wanted to go down on me, that's fine.

What about the converse? :-p
 
  • #96
radou said:
Well, it all depends, but I definitely wouldn't call sex the purpose of dating.

Btw, there are other ways to get sex, without intensive dating or so (and no, I'm not referring to prostitutes!).


Sure it is. Thats the whole reason why you're out on a date! :-p

If you wanted friendship, you would be going out with a close friend who is female. But that's not the same thing as going out on a date with someone you like. You like her because your attracted to her. I am not saying you're going to demand sex that night, but you eventually want to get to that point. Its the reason why you asked her out. Attraction.

I know some girls that are really nice people, but I am not attracted to them. They have great personalities, but I can't ask someone out that I don't find to be attractive in my eyes.
 
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  • #97
I guess it comes with age, but I've dated men that I wasn't physically attracted to initially, but after getting to know them, their appearance didn't matter because they were so great. Is that something that none of you can see yourselves doing? Does it always have to be physical attraction? Is it just women that can find themselves attracted to personailty so that looks don't matter? I guess to clarify, their personality makes them physically attractive, all the physical flaws become endearing.
 
  • #98
radou said:
What about the converse? :-p

Nope. :-p

I will when she becomes valuable enough to sleep with me. If she goes down on me on the first date, that could lower her chance of that happening.
 
  • #99
Evo said:
I guess it comes with age, but I've dated men that I wasn't physically attracted to initially, but after getting to know them, their appearance didn't matter because they were so great.


Is that something that none of you can see yourselves doing?

I don't see myself doing that personally. Why should I do that? Like I said, if she's ugly but has great character, well guess what, there is so many fish in the sea that I will find one that's attractive and has great character. And yes, I already found lots of them. So, no I would not go on a date with a girl I'm not attracted too.

Keep in mind I'm attracted to a wide variety of girls. I'm attracted to this girl right now that I don't think anyone else is, and I just think she's hot. I don't know anything about her. I only have small talk with her and I really don't see anything special about her yet. But, I think she's hot.

Does it always have to be physical attraction?

Now you're making some sort of assumption as if that's all it is, when it's not. Like I said earlier, I said the girl is nothing special. That's of yet, since I never got to know her yet. She has a boyfriend, but when school starts I'll be more aggresive though. Her boyfriend should watch out to be honest with you.

Also, in my other posts. I only sleep with those I admire. It takes more than physical attraction to create admiration, for me anyways. So, no it does not always be physical attraction. At the beginning, yes because there is nothing else to base it on. If I just so happen to get to know someone who is not attractive and she turns out to be cool, still no because I want someone attractive and I am capable of getting someone I am attracted to. She would just be like a guy friend in the literal sense that she or he is not attractive (to have sex with) to my eyes but cool as a person.

Is it just women that can find themselves attracted to personailty so that looks don't matter?

No, I doubt this. I think girls can get attracted to personality, just like men can. I do too, but like I said, you will only get friendship with me. But other guys might go beyond that, and actually start a relationship with someone who's not attractive. Imagine your partner finding out you don't think he or she is attractive... have fun. Anyways, why do some do it? Maybe they think they can't get someone more attractive, or literally can't get someone more attractive. Low self-esteem or low self-worth. Of course, full out good people might go out with someone they're are not attractive to, so I'm not saying you must have low self-esteem or what not. I just see that as one of the reasons.

Another important thing to is to have your partner comfortable with themselves atleast a little so you can work from there. Sleeping with someone who is uncomfortable with their appearance or themselves just sucks. The sex just sucks. They won't do this or that because it's weird and all that jazz. So, it's not even just hot and admirable in my opinion, it's all comfort and have some self-esteem (lots of girls don't have much so I don't put high standards on that one). I'm willing to work with "some" self-esteem. My ex-gf had "some" at the beggining, and now she has much much more where I help her build that and I like that. Now the sex is unbelievable. Of course, you now know she can just hook up with a guy and get crazy, but most guys are lame so I don't have to worry about that. Hence, why she rather stay with me until that other guy who's not lame comes around. Haha. :-p

I guess to clarify, their personality makes them physically attractive, all the physical flaws become endearing.

That would never work for me. Atleast not now anyways.

Oh and one thing I hate is when people say that if you just go for attractive people, you're shallow. I HATE THIS BEYOND ANYTHING. How can you say someone is shallow for going for someone who is attractive meanwhile you know nothing about this person? Atleast you're going for this person for an actual reason. Attractive people can have all the qualities a non-attractive person has, and those good qualities are also what I look for. Just because I add attractive to the list of wants or needs does not make me shallow. That's just dumb. To people who think that, I just always ask them would you date a girl/guy who has a really great personality and is funny? They say yes. I say... "And they're attractive." And they say... "Of course, because he/she has a great personality too." And then I say... "But she's a crack addict." And then they say... "NO WAY I'LL DATE A CRACK ADDICT." Well, I say... "Well, he or she is great and everything just like you said you would date someone who is great, but she's a crack addict that doesn't interfere with her personality and now you say no? That's shallow. Just like attractiveness doesn't interfere with personality."

Evo, you break up with guys who just don't use the proper fork or something. That's no different. Something that really doesn't have anything to do with someone's true personality.
 
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  • #100
Evo said:
I guess it comes with age, but I've dated men that I wasn't physically attracted to initially, but after getting to know them, their appearance didn't matter because they were so great. Is that something that none of you can see yourselves doing? Does it always have to be physical attraction? Is it just women that can find themselves attracted to personailty so that looks don't matter? I guess to clarify, their personality makes them physically attractive, all the physical flaws become endearing.
Yeah, I'd say that looks aren't the most important factor for me, but you know, she has to be a little pretty. I can't date someone I don't want to look at.
 
  • #101
I guess it could depend on how much sex you have. If you have it everyday, how can you possibly do that with someone who isn't attractive?

My ex-gf friend had a unattractive boyfriend, but she hated the sex. What happen? She found someone attractive with all the same/similiar qualities. Now she enjoys sex.
 
  • #102
JasonRox said:
She has a boyfriend, but when school starts I'll be more aggresive though. Her boyfriend should watch out to be honest with you.

Jason, that's the spirit. I seriously envy you. :wink:

JasonRox said:
Oh and one thing I hate is when people say that if you just go for attractive people, you're shallow. I HATE THIS BEYOND ANYTHING. How can you say someone is shallow for going for someone who is attractive meanwhile you know nothing about this person?

I agree, with a small correction. Personally, I find it shallow when people only go for attractive people in the "objective" sense of the word (i.e. people who are only found to be attractive by the media, etc, you know what I mean). That's what I find disgusting; not being open minded, and not being able to develop a taste of your own.
 
  • #103
radou said:
I agree, with a small correction. Personally, I find it shallow when people only go for attractive people in the "objective" sense of the word (i.e. people who are only found to be attractive by the media, etc, you know what I mean). That's what I find disgusting; not being open minded, and not being able to develop a taste of your own.

Agreed. Just like I want that other girl I want. She's mine. :biggrin:
 
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  • #104
Smurf said:
Yeah, I'd say that looks aren't the most important factor for me, but you know, she has to be a little pretty. I can't date someone I don't want to look at.
True, there are some types I probably could never go for, if the guy looked like a barrel and had no neck, I'd have a real hard time getting past that. I couldn't date a guy with helmet hair either, so yeah, I'm a bit picky.

I get the impression that some guys start with physical attraction as a must and then work down the list of other qualities.
 
  • #105
sex isn't about personal gratification, that's what masturbation is about. sex is about an expression of affection.
 
  • #106
Evo said:
I get the impression that some guys start with physical attraction as a must and then work down the list of other qualities.

I'm not sure there is a simple answer to this question (and most of the questions in this thread). You'll always find people who won't agree with this. But personally that's how I see it. Its about looking decent then I go for the other qualities. But I have my work cut out for me. Since I live in the City, pretty much every girl is here educated, sophisticated, and decent. So I just look for the one that's attractive in my eyes.
 
  • #107
ice109 said:
sex isn't about personal gratification, that's what masturbation is about. sex is about an expression of affection.

What?

The girl is suppose to please me and I'm suppose to please her. That's the deal. I never saw anyone think of it as personal gratification. If they did, the sex wouldn't last very long.
 
  • #108
ranger said:
I'm not sure there is a simple answer to this question (and most of the questions in this thread). You'll always find people who won't agree with this. But personally that's how I see it. Its about looking decent then I go for the other qualities. But I have my work cut out for me. Since I live in the City, pretty much every girl is here educated, sophisticated, and decent. So I just look for the one that's attractive in my eyes.
you're lucky
JasonRox said:
What?

The girl is suppose to please me and I'm suppose to please her
. That's the deal. I never saw anyone think of it as personal gratification. If they did, the sex wouldn't last very long.

that's a non-zero-sum game, which is still not the same thing as i said.

to be clearer so i don't piss someone off

have you ever wanted to hug someone to make them feel good/better/nice? to me sex is the ultimate version of that. you've never tried to just please someone else?
 
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  • #109
Evo said:
I get the impression that some guys start with physical attraction as a must and then work down the list of other qualities.

Actually, this isn't so bad at all, as long as they actually succeed in working down the list of other qualities. :smile:

ranger said:
Since I live in the City, pretty much every girl is here educated, sophisticated, and decent.

Hm, which is the City of Educated, Sophisticated and Decent Girls? :-p
 
  • #110
radou said:
Hm, which is the City of Educated, Sophisticated and Decent Girls? :-p

apparently nyc
 
  • #111
ice109 said:
apparently nyc

Oh, and I thought ESDGC existed. Dammit.
 
  • #112
Evo said:
I've noticed there aren't enough men worth dating in Kansas, at least not for an agnostic/atheist that has a vocabulary of more than 100 words with more than one syllable and can count without using their fingers.

Hey as a Kansan of the manly persuasion, I resemble...err resent, that remark!
 
  • #113
ice109 said:
have you ever wanted to hug someone to make them feel good/better/nice? to me sex is the ultimate version of that. you've never tried to just please someone else?

If only more women understood that :blushing:
 
  • #114
RetardedBastard said:
If only more women understood that :blushing:

i don't think you get it. a hug is commensurate with a certain amount of affection, like a friend for a friend, a relative for a relative. sex is commensurate with a loooooooooooooot of affection.

my ideas are not an excuse to be a slut.
 
  • #115
ice109 said:
i don't think you get it. a hug is commensurate with a certain amount of affection, like a friend for a friend, a relative for a relative. sex is commensurate with a loooooooooooooot of affection.

my ideas are not an excuse to be a slut.

I don't know about calling anyone names, especially a "slut". I'm not so judgemental (since it is meant to demean someone's worth) about what a woman does, as long as people are being careful and happy with each other.
 
  • #116
Evo said:
I get the impression that some guys start with physical attraction as a must and then work down the list of other qualities.

uhhh obviously :rolleyes:... physical attraction is the basis of attraction - I don't care to find out more about a person unless I'm.. you know.. ATTRACTED
 
  • #117
slugcountry said:
uhhh obviously :rolleyes:... physical attraction is the basis of attraction - I don't care to find out more about a person unless I'm.. you know.. ATTRACTED

:rolleyes: yea... that's _______
 
  • #118
This is interesting, so you guys would not accept a date with an intelligent, humorous, interesting girl unless she was physically attractive?

I've accepted many dates with men that were interesting, but not really attractive to me, the better I got to know them, the more attractive they became. I accepted the date because I thought they would be interesting to spend time with. Until you go out with someone you don't know if anything romantic will develop.
 
  • #119
Evo said:
This is interesting, so you guys would not accept a date with an intelligent, humorous, interesting girl unless she was physically attractive?

I've accepted many dates with men that were interesting, but not really attractive to me, the better I got to know them, the more attractive they became. I accepted the date because I thought they would be interesting to spend time with. Until you go out with someone you don't know if anything romantic will develop.

i hope you're not including me in "you guys"
 
  • #120
ice109 said:
i hope you're not including me in "you guys"
Nope.

It is interesting to hear how some of the men here think.

Being female, I could usually tell if a guys only interest in me was physical, that usually got him a "no". A lot of the quality guys I wanted to date rarely, ok never, asked me out, so I had to start asking them out.
 

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