Do We Live in Matter or in Our Vision of Matter?

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The discussion emphasizes that human perception and understanding are primarily shaped by our immaterial vision of the world rather than direct interaction with matter. It argues that if humans were purely material beings, we would instinctively understand the laws of matter, similar to how we intuitively grasp emotions and moral concepts. The distinction between knowledge of feelings and knowledge of physical phenomena is highlighted, noting that individuals often have a clearer understanding of their emotional states than their physical ailments. This suggests that while we possess physical bodies, our existence transcends mere materiality, indicating a deeper, immaterial aspect of human experience. The conversation underscores the idea that our minds and emotions are not merely products of material processes, but rather exist in a realm that connects with the physical through our nervous system.
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We do not live in matter, we live in our vision of it. Else we would have known matter instinctively.

We live through our vision of the world, and this vision is immaterial. Matter, however, is existent. If we humans were originally material we wouldn’t need to study the laws of matter. We don’t study the laws of feelings; we instinctively know beauty, but we don’t instinctively know chemistry or geometry. This proves that we live in the realm of the soul not in the realm of matter. Everyone knows what is sad or funny without having to be given an introductory course in the comedy theater for example. But no one knows the components of the simple matter in front of them except through difficult study of physics. Even though if the causes of laughter are studied they would become a difficult science, how about the rest of moral, mental and psychological phenomena that everyone knows easily?

We are not products of matter, our minds are not evolved from matter even if we have material neurology. The nervous system is only a channel connecting our moral (immaterial) existence with our material existence.

It is a quite sufficient proof for this that man knows their mood, feelings and emotions better than their body. Almost all people go to the physician, but a lot less see the psychiatrist, which reveals the difference of percentage on the scale of knowledge. If you are in a psychological pain you can often identify the problem, but you don’t know what is going on when you have a back pain or shortness of breath except through what the doctor told you, let alone knowing the cure. Your diagnosis for your emotional problem is easier than diagnosing your physical problem. For example, you know that you are suffering from feelings of alienation for sure, but you don’t know that you are suffering from a blockage in the gall bladder except through what you learned from the doctor, and the doctor knew through what the tests and symptoms showed him/her .
That is why even though we have physical bodies, we are not only physical.
 
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