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Do you consider masturbation a sin?

  1. Yes

    4 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. No

    12 vote(s)
    75.0%
  1. Jul 16, 2003 #1
    All those who think so raise your hand... well, that is after you wash it.

    eNtRopY
     
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  3. Jul 17, 2003 #2
    I think if there was any sin involed, it would have more to do with you're motives for doing it, i.e., what kind of mental imagery does it involve and what type of behavior are you trying to justify by doing it?
     
  4. Jul 17, 2003 #3
    who am I to say what is a sin and what isn't
     
  5. Jul 17, 2003 #4

    Les Sleeth

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    LOL!!!

    Entropy, I am starting to suspect you are a troublemaker, second only to Saint.
     
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  6. Jul 18, 2003 #5
    I'll bet that the three people who voted "yes" are either female or suffer from sexual dysfunction... or both.

    eNtRopY
     
  7. Jul 18, 2003 #6

    Kerrie

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    entropy, i would suggest you edit your stereotyped comment towards females or i will do it for you
     
  8. Jul 19, 2003 #7
    My point is simply that ALL men masturbate or have at least masturbated.

    From what I've read most women masturbate as well... something like 60%. But maybe that just means 40% are lying about it.

    eNtRopY
     
  9. Jul 19, 2003 #8
    Yes, naturally, thinking that maybe they were maybe "married", and led "Spiritual lives", in their 'marriages', would simply be, what?? "honest and thoughtful", Oooooppps!
     
  10. Jul 19, 2003 #9
    Are you saying that married men don't masturbate?

    eNtRopY
     
  11. Jul 19, 2003 #10

    Kerrie

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    just because a woman chooses not to masturbate doesn't mean she thinks it is sinful...
     
  12. Jul 20, 2003 #11
    How can something thats good for you be a sin?
     
  13. Jul 20, 2003 #12
    Probably in a similar manner to vitamin A, which, in large enough doses is lethal.

    Sexual relations outside of marriage are considered a sort of Spiritual Breach of person.

    See 'Morally Turpid' for better understandings of legalities in "Natural Moral Law".

    Playing with your teeth with your fingers, if they are hurting, seems to feel good, but it is the best pathway to an infection possibly abcessing. (SP?)
     
  14. Jul 20, 2003 #13
    I once read an article that said that men who do not ejaculate at least once every two weeks are at a much higher risk of becoming impotent than those who do. So, a moderate amount of masturbation (if sexual intercourse is not available) is actually recommended by most urologists.

    I predict that in the future, there will be a smaller percentage of men who suffer from the condition of impotence simply because people are becoming less submissive to traditional religious dogma as time progresses.

    eNtRopY
     
  15. Jul 20, 2003 #14
    It is also supposed to help reduce the risk of getting prostate cancer.
     
  16. Jul 20, 2003 #15
    What about all the sperm that gets killed per ejaculation. Considering there is about 20-150 million of them per milliliter, thats a lot.
     
  17. Jul 20, 2003 #16

    Kerrie

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    i think most of today's (american at least) don't seem to think that masturbation is a sin...
     
  18. Jul 20, 2003 #17

    Les Sleeth

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    Well, if we are going to talk about this seriously, then the fact that someone might even consider masterbation a "sin" tell us a lot. Some fool, a long time ago, decided sex takes us away from God, and needed to be shamed. Big mistake.

    Shaming a biological drive that cannot be suppressed without popping up morphed elsewhere almost always leads to some sort of dysfunctional situation.

    Christianity can take much of the responsibility for this shaming in Western culture, and it still is quite strong both in fundamentalist doctrine, and among the population. Masterbation, my father told me, gives you pimples (after seeing one on my cheek).

    So why would sex be associated with heading away from God (i.e., sin)? Well, the simple answer is that people do tend to get obsessed with what feels good, which is why there are addicts of all varieties. The thought was, I believe, that rather than take the chance of getting obsessed with something that feels so good, reject it. After all, hell is the danger one faces! Of course, that's if one buys all the silliness of hell and sin.

    Why would God care if we fool around or masterbate? It's trivial! In both cases we have the means to do it safely and within the boundaries of a relationship. Besides, if God is really wise, then he/she/it had to have known something that feels so good is going to be done all the time by we little feel-good machines.

    So I say, masterbate if you want, if it helps. For some people the sex drive is so intense they'd go nuts if they didn't have that release, married or not. As long as no one is harmed, I can't see what's wrong with it. Some married couples even work that into their relationship with the goal of enjoying their mate's sexuality fully.

    And what if one is trying to get close to God? Well, maybe one day, when the drive has settled down, and you want to focus less on sex, then that can happen too. I really don't think God would mind at all someone being horny if one is equally or more passionate in their inner devotion.
     
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  19. Jul 21, 2003 #18
    It would be something alone the lines of "just what" are you learning in having multiple partners.

    NOT the intimacy that is available to two people who select to stay with each other, exclusively, but the "mulitiplicity of partnerings" that arises from having indulged, in you heart, in a plenitude of personality types, (but by visual judgment alone) without their personalities present, such that, your judgmental abilities are waaaaay off when it comes to crunch (actual selection) time.

    Spent so many a days dreaming of a "Perfect Body" image in your brain, and it might not be even close to what is actually the right 'character' type for you, never mind 'body' type, 'personality' type etc.

    A good (possible) pathway of self deception, leading yourself astray, if I ever heard of one.

    But clearly, it's been in the local papers, it's agreed, it is good for you health wise, just people need pay respect to the spiritual, else they become lost, even more then they already are.

    Choose for yourself, that way you are respocible!
     
  20. Jul 21, 2003 #19
    ... and that's one to grow on....

    * sparkling banner appears with caption that says the more you know *

    * dee dee dee dee *

    eNtRopY
     
  21. Jul 21, 2003 #20
    What are you talking about? He does that everytime he thinks he slamming us in the General Forums.

    eNtRopY
     
  22. Jul 21, 2003 #21
    And with this lovely commnet eNtRopY 'titles' all of his mates, ascribing to them the characteristic of being the object that gets the slappin!!

    Nice to know just how you think of your friends there ent.

    Andy, I am 47 years old, so yes! I have!
    (To pretend differently, well, that would be stupid/idiotic)

    PS Andy you forgot (or don't know?) several of the expressions, to state the least!
     
  23. Jul 21, 2003 #22
    I guessed i had missed out on some, but you obviously have more experience than me when it comes to "polishing your tool".
     
  24. Jul 21, 2003 #23

    Les Sleeth

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    Andy, since you failed to include women's terms on that list, it is blatently sexist.

    Kerrie . . . are you going to deal with this???
     
  25. Jul 21, 2003 #24

    Les Sleeth

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    Yes, but people fantasize about the "perfect" partner whether they masterbate or not. That is not only a sexual thing, it's also part of people wanting to be with someone they can love, share with, and legitimately lust after.

    As far as what someone learns by fantasizing about "a plentitude of partners," why do we have to learn from everything we do? Some things I do just for pure enjoyment, and I don't see why pleasuring myself can't be one of them.

    The problem, as I see it, is attaching any sort of morality to sex. That leads to the sense of shame which in our culture has either stifled a healthy sexual life, or made someone want sex more than they naturally would if left alone. Sex is not "good" or "bad" morally, it is simply part of our nature.

    But leaving morality out of it doesn't mean there aren't practical consideratons. It may not be "bad" to screw everybody in town or masterbate all day long, but it definitely can cause one problems.

    I would love to see people drop all the moralistic high-ground crap about sex, and just have fun with it. If we did that, and without hurting others or oneself, then I say Western culture would be a lot healthier sexually (and we are NOT that healthy when it comes to sex).
     
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  26. Jul 22, 2003 #25
    Well, it is something about "Learning from Everything that you Do", otherwise you are, really, purposefully, wasting your own time.

    (In My opinion)

    As for the fantasizing about a "Perfect Partner", leads to dis-satisfaction, with whomever you end up with, as they will never meet that standard, so you are setting yourself up for failure!!??
     
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