Does an electric field go through a conductor ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric fields in conductors, particularly in the context of a positive charge placed inside a hollow charged sphere. Participants explore whether electric fields can penetrate through conductors and how charges redistribute in response to internal and external electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while there is no net flux in a conductor, electric fields may still penetrate the conductor, arguing that the field generated by an internal charge should continue through the conductor until it encounters a negative charge.
  • Another participant counters this by explaining that negative charges in the conductor move to the inner surface in response to the electric field from the positive charge, resulting in zero electric field between the inner and outer surfaces of the shell.
  • A different perspective is introduced, questioning the scenario where both the inner charge and the shell have positive charges, suggesting that this would lead to a net positive charge outside the shell while still maintaining no electric field within the conductor.
  • A follow-up response agrees with the previous point, affirming that the electric field inside the hollow space would only reflect the influence of the inner charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether electric fields can penetrate conductors, with some arguing that fields do not pass through while others propose scenarios where the distribution of charges leads to different external electric fields. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the behavior of charges in conductors and the nature of electric fields that are not fully explored, such as the specific conditions under which fields may or may not be present in various configurations.

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I know there is no net flux in a conductor but do they go through the conductor? Say you have a positive q charge inside a hollow sphere that's charged pos q as well. Well that charge from the inner shell should keep penetrating space until it hits a negative charge which implies it goes through the conductor meaning the electric field in a conductor isn't zero. Just that the same number in go out as well. Am I correct? Thanks
 
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jaredvert said:
I know there is no net flux in a conductor but do they go through the conductor? Say you have a positive q charge inside a hollow sphere that's charged pos q as well. Well that charge from the inner shell should keep penetrating space until it hits a negative charge which implies it goes through the conductor meaning the electric field in a conductor isn't zero. Just that the same number in go out as well. Am I correct?

No. What happens is that the negative charges in the conductor are attracted by the electrical field of the positive charge in the center, so they move to the inside surface of the shell (it's a conductor, so they can move around freely within it). That leaves the outside surface of the shell with a net positive charge.

We end up with the positive charge in the center generating an electric field throughout the interior of the shell; this field is stopped cold at the inner surface of the shell where negative charges have piled up to cancel it; then no field at all between the inner and outer surfaces of the shell; then the positive charge on the outer surface of the shell filling the entire universe outside the shell with an electrical field.

The only way you could tell the difference between what actually happens (field stops at the inner surface of the shell and starts up again at the outer surface) and what you describe (field passes through the conductive shell, same out as in) is by measuring the field between the inner and outer surfaces of the shell.. This has been done, and it comes out zero.
 
I understood the original question differently.
What if we have a +q charge inside the shell, but the shell on its own also has a +q charge?
Would the inside charge also attract electrons leaving the outside of the shell still more positive?
Then there would still be no field inside the conductor but outside we would measure a +2q charge, right?
 
danjordan said:
I understood the original question differently.
What if we have a +q charge inside the shell, but the shell on its own also has a +q charge?
Would the inside charge also attract electrons leaving the outside of the shell still more positive?
Then there would still be no field inside the conductor but outside we would measure a +2q charge, right?

Right. And in the hollow interior of the shell we'd just see the field from the single +q in the center.
 

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