Does anyone consider ecology a hard science?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of ecology as a hard science versus a soft science. Participants explore the challenges and complexities within the field of ecology, including its relationship to other scientific disciplines such as environmental science. The conversation touches on educational experiences and perceptions of the rigor involved in ecological studies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to work in ecology and questions its perception as a soft science, suggesting it may have the potential to be considered a harder science.
  • Another participant shares their experience in an ecology class, highlighting the challenging nature of the course, which required knowledge of chemistry and biochemistry, and suggests that ecology might be harder than commonly assumed.
  • A third participant asserts that ecology can be considered a hard science, particularly due to its mathematical foundations and the clarity of correctness in its principles, while noting a common confusion between ecology and environmental science.
  • A later reply acknowledges the confusion between ecology and environmental science, expressing a personal inclination towards ecology but questioning the practical utility of environmental science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether ecology is definitively a hard or soft science, with multiple perspectives presented on its rigor and the confusion with environmental science remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific educational experiences and the need for a strong foundation in related sciences, indicating that perceptions of ecology's rigor may depend on individual experiences and definitions of hard versus soft sciences.

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I want to work in ecology and I think it has potential to be a harder science. I like hard sciences and I think sometimes ecology has the image of being a soft science. Does anyone know of the progress being made in ecology? Give me some advice perhaps? Thanks.
 
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I took an ecology class last semester which had a strong emphasis on the transfer of energy in ecological systems. It was actually more challenging than I anticipated. The course required a good amount of knowledge about chemistry and biochemistry. I was also required to learn about things such as electron transport chains, phosphate chains, and a good deal about how the different types of respiration work. I am no expert, but I would think that ecology might be a harder science than the average person may assume it to be. As for the progress being made, I think that you may need to look into specific fields and decide what about ecology interests you. I know that many universities are doing research into past climate systems and prehistoric ecology, which would definitely interest me. But as I said before, I am no expert. I wish you the best of luck though!
 
I consider ecology a hard science. By the description hard, you may mean a science with strong mathematical support, where correctness and incorrectness is evident to a greater degree, than "softer" science

I do think many students confuse ecology with environmental science. I am not as well acquainted with environmental science so I cannot say if it is hard or soft. An interesting and readable approach to Ecology, (although not a textbook) is Paul Colinveaux, Why Big Fierce Animals are Rare.
 
Thanks guys that is all encouraging to hear.

mpresic said: "I do think many students confuse ecology with environmental science."

sometimes I have trouble separating them too. I feel like I side more with ecology but I sometimes wonder if environmental science will be more useful.
 

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