Does Bernoulli's Principle Predict Pressure Drop in Constricted Pipe Flow?

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The discussion centers on the application of Bernoulli's principle to a closed loop system involving a pump and a constricted pipe flow. Participants explore whether a pressure drop occurs between the inlet and outlet of the pump when an incompressible fluid flows through the system, particularly in the context of neglecting friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for the pressure drop based on Bernoulli's principle, suggesting that a pressure drop occurs due to the change in cross-sectional area of the pipe.
  • Another participant argues that without friction, there should be no pressure drop across the pump, although a pressure difference exists at the point of constriction.
  • A further contribution emphasizes the need to clarify that "no friction" includes both wall friction and internal fluid friction, noting that energy dissipation may occur due to eddies created in the flow through the restriction.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of neglecting friction, with some asserting that a pressure drop exists while others contend that it does not in an ideal system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of fluid friction on energy dissipation.

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Limitations include assumptions about ideal fluid behavior, the neglect of friction, and the implications of energy dissipation through eddies, which are not fully explored.

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Hello everyone,

Say I have a closed loop comprised of a pump and some piping which connects the inlet of the pump to the outlet of the pump. All of the piping has radius "a," except for a small section, which constricts to radius "b" for a small portion of the line (the inlet and outlet connections are both of radius "a"). Neglecting friction, is there any pressure drop between the inlet and the outlet of the pump if an incompressible fluid were to flow through the system at some flow rate? If so, does Bernoulli's principle in the following fashion account for the magnitude of the pressure drop?

dP = | 1/2*(fluid density)*(flow rate)^2*(1/(pi*a^2)^2-1/(pi*b^2)^2) |

I used (flow rate) = (cross sectional area)*(flow speed) to express the flow speeds, and the fact that the flow rate is the same.

Here it is in TeX form:

\Delta P = \frac{1}{2} \rho Q^2 \left( (\frac{1}{\pi a^2})^2 - (\frac{1}{\pi b^2})^2 \right)

Thanks for your help and time,
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Without any friction, there is no pressure drop between the two sides of the pump (and in an ideal system you don't need a pump at all to keep it flowing). There is a pressure difference where the cross-section changes, but the same pressure difference (in the opposite direction) occurs where the cross-section changes back.
 
I think you need to be clear that "no friction" means not only no friction at the pipe wall, but also no friction between the fluid and itself. Otherwise the flow through the restriction will dissipate some energy by creating eddies in the flow, which would appear as heat and noise. The more gradual the approach to and exit from the restriction is, the lower these losses would be.
 
Thanks for the feedback.
 

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