Does electric heating violates the laws of thermodynamics

In summary, according to the laws of thermodynamics, electric heaters are typically an inefficient way to produce heat. However, this does not violate the laws of thermodynamics as entropy is allowed to stay the same in a closed system.
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hello,
we have learned that according to the laws of thermodynamics that the efficiency of any machine should be less than one because of the passive components in it. in an electric heating machine all the input electrical energy is converted to heat. Does this make the electrical heater as an efficiency 1 machine, and does this violates the laws of thermodynamics.
 
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No and no.

To go over-unity it would have to make more heat than the electrical energy supplied to it.

At unity does not violate the laws of thermodynamics: entropy is allowed to stay the same in a closed system.
(It follows that what you were told is not exactly true.)

An electric heater is seldom a closed system.
(Which is, in fact, what you were supposed to get from what you were told.)

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=500095

Technically a heater is a super-inefficient heat engine ... typically 90-99% of the heat goes to the exhaust. It so happens that we want this heat to warm us up.
 
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An electric heater is not a machine. It just happens to be a device where you want waste heat. Think of it this way: if you use the heat to heat a boiler and turn a steam engine, then put a brake on it to dissipate the engine's mechanical energy, you'll have the same 100% efficiency of heat production using a 0% efficient steam engine.
 
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in an electric heating machine all the input electrical energy is converted to heat.

That's analogous to saying: "all the gasoline used in an engine is converted to heat...and power"...ok, so what...it's an inexact statement and not necessarily a reflection of efficiency.
 
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we have learned that according to the laws of thermodynamics that the efficiency of any machine should be less than one because of the passive components in it

Passive components.
mkj - do not mix up efficiency with gain.
A gearbox may have a gain in rpm or torque, but due to frictional losses, its efficiency will be less than 1 ( ie power out < power in ). And that is not a thermodynamic efficiency, but a mechanical efficiency.
 

1. Does electric heating violate the first law of thermodynamics?

No, electric heating does not violate the first law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of conservation of energy. This law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred or converted from one form to another. Electric heating simply converts electrical energy into thermal energy.

2. Is it possible for electric heating to create more energy than it consumes?

No, electric heating cannot create more energy than it consumes. This is in accordance with the first law of thermodynamics, which states that the total amount of energy in a closed system remains constant.

3. Can electric heating lead to a decrease in entropy, violating the second law of thermodynamics?

No, electric heating does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. This law states that in any energy transfer or conversion, some energy will always be lost in the form of heat. Therefore, electric heating will always result in an increase in entropy, not a decrease.

4. How does electric heating comply with the third law of thermodynamics?

Electric heating complies with the third law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of a pure, perfect crystal at absolute zero temperature is zero. This is because electric heating relies on the transfer of thermal energy from a source (such as an electric coil) to an object, and at absolute zero temperature, there is no thermal energy to transfer.

5. Are there any limitations to the efficiency of electric heating systems?

Yes, there are limitations to the efficiency of electric heating systems. This is due to the second law of thermodynamics, which states that no energy conversion can be 100% efficient. In other words, some energy will always be lost during the conversion process, resulting in less thermal energy being produced compared to the electrical energy input.

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