Does every continuous function has a power series expansion on a closed interval

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The discussion centers around whether every continuous function has a power series expansion on a closed interval. Participants explore the implications of the Weierstrass approximation theorem and the conditions under which a function can be represented by a power series, including the roles of differentiability and the nature of polynomial approximations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Weierstrass approximation theorem implies every continuous function has a power series expansion, though they express uncertainty about this claim.
  • Others argue that not all continuous functions can be represented by a power series, citing examples like |x|, which is not differentiable at x=0 and thus cannot be expressed as a power series.
  • It is noted that while a continuous function can be approximated by polynomials, this does not necessarily mean it can be expressed as a power series.
  • Some participants mention that infinitely smooth functions may not be represented by their Taylor series, providing the example of f(x) = e^{-1/x^2} for x ≠ 0, which has a Taylor series that sums to zero at x=0.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of Bernstein polynomials and whether they converge to a power series, with some participants expressing confusion about the relationship between polynomial approximations and power series.
  • There is a discussion about the convergence of coefficients in power series and whether they must stabilize as Bernstein polynomials approach a function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views on whether every continuous function can be represented by a power series, with some asserting it is not true while others remain uncertain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of convergence and differentiability, as well as the unresolved nature of the relationship between Bernstein polynomials and power series.

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By Weierstrass approximation theorem, it seems to be obvious that every continuous function has a power expansion on a closed interval, but I'm not 100% sure about this. Is this genuinely true or there're some counterexamples?
 
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This is incorrect. The sum of a power series is an analytic function. So, for example, the function |x| on the interval [-1,1] is not the sum of a power series, since it is not even differentiable at x=0.
 
But by Weierstrass you can always construct a sequence of polynomials uniformly converging to it, isn't it? I thought differentiability is required only if you want to do something like Taylor series expansion.
 
Em, now I see what you mean. As long as a function can be represented by a power series, it can be differentiated as many times as you want, so |x| can not be represented by power series.
But by Weierstrass theorem you can always construct a sequence of polynomials uniformly converging to it, so in what sense is this different with saying that it can be written as a power series? I'm very confused
 
kof9595995 said:
Em, now I see what you mean. As long as a function can be represented by a power series, it can be differentiated as many times as you want, so |x| can not be represented by power series.
But by Weierstrass theorem you can always construct a sequence of polynomials uniformly converging to it, so in what sense is this different with saying that it can be written as a power series? I'm very confused

A sequence of polynomials converging to a continuous function may be something other than a sequence of partial sums of a Taylor series. A sequence of Bernstein polynomials converging to f is a good example.

Also there exist infinitely smooth functions that aren't represented by their Taylor series. Consider
f(x) = e^{- \frac 1 {x^2}},\ x \neq 0
and f(0) = 0. This has derivatives of all orders equal to 0 when x = 0 so its Taylor series sums to 0, not to f(x) except at 0. Yet on any finite interval it can be uniformly approximated by polynomials.
 
LCKurtz said:
A sequence of polynomials converging to a continuous function may be something other than a sequence of partial sums of a Taylor series. A sequence of Bernstein polynomials converging to f is a good example.
Right, I know there needn't to be a Taylor series, but why there can be no infinite power series at all in some cases, like |x| around x=0.
 
kof9595995 said:
Right, I know there needn't to be a Taylor series, but why there can be no infinite power series at all in some cases, like |x| around x=0.

Didn't you read G_Edgar's explanation? Another way you might see it is that if f(x) is expressible as a series like:

f(x) = \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^n

with a positive radius of convergence then f must be as differentiable as the right side and, moreover, differentiating both sides shows the only choice for the coefficients are the Taylor coefficients. So Taylor series is the only game in town for a power series.
 
LCKurtz said:
Didn't you read G_Edgar's explanation? Another way you might see it is that if f(x) is expressible as a series like:

f(x) = \sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^n

with a positive radius of convergence then f must be as differentiable as the right side and, moreover, differentiating both sides shows the only choice for the coefficients are the Taylor coefficients. So Taylor series is the only game in town for a power series.
Well, I thought any polynomials can be written as a power series; like Bernstein polynomials, I thought if you expand each term, and collect the terms with same power, then you get a power series. Is it wrong because we can't switch the order of terms in infinite series without proving absolute convergence, or is there some other reason?
And, why in the Bernstein case we don't need the differentiability condition?
Please bear with if the question is too naive; I'm not majoring in math so I'm really not good at these analysis stuff.
Thanks.
 
The question is: given a sequence of Bernstein polynomials, do they actually converge to a power series? In general the coefficients will change from one polynomial to the next
 
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Office_Shredder said:
The question is: given a sequence of Bernstein polynomials, do they actually converge to a power series? In general the coefficients will change from one polynomial to the next

So you mean if I try to rewrite Bernstein polynomials in terms of powers of x, then as the Bernstein polynomials approach the function, the coefficients of x^n won't converge, but probably oscillate or blows up instead, right?
But for those can be written in power series, the coefficients must converge to what we collect from Bernstein polynomials, is that right?
 
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kof9595995 said:
So you mean if I try to rewrite Bernstein polynomials in terms of powers of x, then as the Bernstein polynomials approach the function, the coefficients of x^n won't converge, but probably oscillate or blows up instead, right?
But for those can be written in power series, the coefficients must converge to what we collect from Bernstein polynomials, is that right?

I have never looked at those two specific questions, so I don't know for sure. I would expect that the answer to your first question is yes and the second is no.
 

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