Does light have a frequency limit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether there are limits on the frequency of light, exploring theoretical and experimental boundaries, as well as implications of the universe's size and structure. Participants consider both extremely high and low frequencies, touching on concepts from quantum mechanics and general relativity.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there are theoretical and experimental limits to the frequency of light, particularly concerning the energy levels required for photons at extreme frequencies.
  • Others argue that there is no known upper limit to the frequency of light, suggesting that in an infinite universe, photons could theoretically have arbitrarily high frequencies.
  • A few participants mention that the minimum frequency may be related to Planck's constant and the finite size of the universe, though this remains speculative.
  • One participant questions the implications of having all the energy in the universe concentrated in a single photon, raising concerns about conservation laws.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of observing light at extremely high frequencies due to relativistic effects, suggesting that reference frames can influence perceived frequency.
  • There is a suggestion that quantum uncertainty could impose a minimum energy and frequency limit, but this is contested by others who argue that uncertainty allows for arbitrarily small values.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the validity of claims made by Isaac Asimov regarding frequency limits, suggesting that modern physics offers a more nuanced understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of frequency limits for light. Multiple competing views are presented, with some asserting limits based on theoretical considerations and others claiming no limits exist.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include unresolved assumptions about the universe's size and structure, the implications of quantum mechanics, and the role of relativistic effects in determining frequency. Participants also note the speculative nature of some claims regarding high-energy physics.

  • #31
ShawnD said:
So basically there is no limit, thanks.

In GR and SR, there are no limits. In Quantum theories, there are limits imposed by the HUP.
 
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  • #32
NateTG said:
In GR and SR, there are no limits. In Quantum theories, there are limits imposed by the HUP.

No there isn't, which is the point I've been trying to put across, you can speculate that there may be a limit imposed by yet unknown Planck scale physics, but there's nothingin the HUP that limits the frequency of light.
 
  • #33
The HUP is a sliding scale; you can get as accurate as you like in measuring one observable, so long as you're willing to give up accuracy on a complementary observable.
 
  • #34
jcsd said:
The paper does answer some of my questions..
It's true memoe above a certain energy and the photon will instaneously change into other particles on the slighest interation with any other matter, these partciles if produced by a stupendously high energy photon would be short-lived decaying into a multitude of other particles.
Well,the paper will not tell you the answer to the original question,but gives some consideration relating treatment in transition from weak fields to the high fields.
It wasn't my purpose to point that electron-positron collision at high energy will likely fail to produce cosmic rays.The mechanism of producing them beyond certain range is unknown.Highest cosmic ray energy observed up to date is about 10^20 eV.IMHO,The mechanism apart from relativistic shock must be different.
GR in it's basic form hasn't got the problems giving rise to arbitrary large or low gravitational shifts to the EM radiation trails.On other hand,cosmology
which is intimately conected with GR says there is finite gravitational energy of the universe.
There are heavy problems like vacuum energy,cosmological constant and others that bring out the problematic question of what would observer "measure" in ultra high fields.

cheers
 
  • #35
Sorry to gravedig, but I had to clear things up a bit, especially considering this is the first result on google for the maximum frequency of light.
The hints at no upper limit far exceed a limit.
An accelerating expansion of our universe
The problem of dark matter
Nasty infinity, the infinite energy density of vacuum, which is extremely foolishly hidden
The physics community, to put it bluntly, is scared to hell of infinities, but the realization is dawning and infinity is beginning to be studied.
There are places in our universe where the rules don't apply like they usually do.
Infinitely high energy photons could exist for infinitely small timescales.
Only time will tell.
 

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