Does the basicity of hydrides increase with larger atom size?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between atomic size, bond strength, and base strength in acid-base chemistry. A statement from a chemistry website suggests that within the same group of the periodic table, larger atoms result in weaker H-X bonds and lower electron density, leading to weaker bases. However, there is confusion regarding the implications of bond strength on base strength. It is argued that a weaker A-H bond facilitates the formation of the conjugate base A-, which should increase electron density on A and suggest a stronger base. The conversation highlights that while the ease of bond breaking may influence the formation of the conjugate base, the final electron density and base strength ultimately depend on the size of the conjugate base itself. This indicates a nuanced understanding of how bond strength and atomic size interplay in determining acid-base behavior.
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I am confused with the statement given by a website (http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/useful/acidbase.html

"Size. When comparing atoms within the same group of the periodic table, the larger the atom the weaker the H-X bond and the lower the electron density making it a weaker base."

When A-H bond becomes weaker, the production of A- becomes easier, so electron density on A increases. Hence the base has to be stronger right?
 
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AdityaDev said:
the production of A- becomes easier, so electron density on A increases

I don't see how the latter comes from the earlier. Electron density is not a function of how easily the bond is broken.

Or perhaps what you mean is that after the proton is removed, electron density on the conjugate base left is higher than it was before the reaction? Sure, that's true. But still the final electron density depends on the size of the conjugate base, and we are comparing different bases comparing their final electron densities.
 
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