Does the series Converge or Diverge ?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the series ∑ ln(n!)/(n^3)*ln(n) from n=2. Participants are exploring the application of the Ratio Test and discussing the placement of ln(n) in the expression.

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  • Participants are considering the Ratio Test but express uncertainty about simplifying terms. There are questions regarding the correct placement of ln(n) and how to interpret the series. Some participants suggest using the Direct Comparison Test or Limit Comparison Test as alternative approaches.

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The discussion is active with participants sharing their attempts at simplification and questioning the assumptions about the series. Some guidance has been offered regarding the Ratio Test and the potential usefulness of separating ln(n!). There is no explicit consensus on the method to be used.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of factorials and logarithmic expressions, with some indicating confusion about the series' structure. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions and interpretations are being critically examined.

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1. Homework Statement


Ʃ ln(n!)/(n^3)*ln(n)
n=2

2. Homework Equations

Ratio test, which states:
Lim as n tends to infinity of |(An+1)/An|=ρ would lead to convergent series if the limit is less than 1
it diverges if ρ is greater than 1
test is inconclusive if ρ=1

3. The Attempt at a Solution
I thought of applying Ratio test but didn't know how to cancel out terms
 
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smb26 said:
1. Homework Statement


Ʃ ln(n!)/(n^3)*ln(n)
n=2

2. Homework Equations

Ratio test, which states:
Lim as n tends to infinity of |(An+1)/An|=ρ would lead to convergent series if the limit is less than 1
it diverges if ρ is greater than 1
test is inconclusive if ρ=1

3. The Attempt at a Solution
I thought of applying Ratio test but didn't know how to cancel out terms


n! = 2 * 3 * 4 * ... * (n - 1) * n

ln(a*b) = ln(a) + ln(b)

Is ln(n) in the numerator or denominator? The way you write the series, most would read as
$$ \sum_{n = 2}^{\infty} \frac{ln(n!) \cdot ln(n)}{n^3}$$
 
ln(n) is in the deonminator
 
The ratio test seems to work. Care to show us how far you got along in trying to simplify?
 
[ln((n+1)!)]/[ln(n+1)*(n+1)^3] * [ln(n)*n^3]/[ln(n!)]

now at infinity n^3/(n+1)^3 will give 1 & ln(n)/ln(n+1) will give 1 I guess
but what about ln((n+1)!)/ln(n!) what is this going to give & how to prove...

Can this be done by Direct Comparison Test or Limit Comparison Test??
 
smb26 said:
ln(n) is in the deonminator
Then you need to write the expression with more grouping symbols, like so:
ln(n!)/[[/color](n^3)*ln(n)][/color]
 
Mark44 said:
n! = 2 * 3 * 4 * ... * (n - 1) * n

ln(a*b) = ln(a) + ln(b)

Is ln(n) in the numerator or denominator? The way you write the series, most would read as
$$ \sum_{n = 2}^{\infty} \frac{ln(n!) \cdot ln(n)}{n^3}$$

The separation of ln(n!) will help me how ?
 
It might or might not be helpful in the Ratio Test.
 
I guess I found the solution

fact is
##X! < X^x## so we say that by Direct Comparison Test $$\frac{ln(n!)}{n^3 *ln(n)} < \frac {ln(n^n)}{n^3 *ln(n)} = \frac {n*ln(n)}{n^3 *ln(n)} = \frac {1}{n^2 } $$

since $$\frac {1}{n^2 } $$ is a convergent series of p=2, the $$Ʃ\frac{ln(n!)}{n^3 *ln(n)}$$ converges by Direct comparison test
 

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