Does this explain the Zeno effect observed

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The discussion centers on the Quantum Zeno effect, exploring its implications, mechanisms, and the distinction between observation and measurement. Participants examine its applicability to both microscopic systems and speculative scenarios involving black holes, while addressing misconceptions and clarifying terminology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Quantum Zeno effect prevents an unstable particle from decaying through observation or measurement, while others clarify that any interaction sufficient to collapse the wave function is relevant.
  • One participant suspects that electromagnetic (em) pulses help maintain atoms in an excited state, thereby slowing decay, while others agree that interaction with the em field is crucial.
  • There is contention regarding the terminology used, with some arguing that "observation" is often misused in popular science, emphasizing that measurement involves physical interaction.
  • Speculation about the effect's applicability to black holes is mentioned, but some participants express disapproval of speculation unless it is backed by peer-reviewed research.
  • It is suggested that the Quantum Zeno effect is limited to microscopic quantum systems, and that its influence diminishes once measurement ceases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of observation and measurement, as well as the implications of the Quantum Zeno effect. There is no consensus on the speculative application of the effect to black holes, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of the effect.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between measurement and observation, indicating that the terms may be conflated in popular science. The discussion also reflects a tension between speculative ideas and the preference for peer-reviewed evidence.

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Quantum zeno effect states that an unstable particle can be prevented from decaying by being observed/measured. It has been experimentally proven.
However, this observation/measurement does not refer to simply looking at it. This effect vanishes as we zoom out to the macroscopic world. Hence, a chunck of radioactive metal will not decay slower just because we stared at it or placed sensors around it.
In those experiments, ultra cooled atoms are kept in an excited state and an em pulse is passed through them for measurement. The atoms decayed to their ground state slower. I m suspecting that the reason behind this is that the em pulses are helping to keep the atoms in the excited state to slow down decay. What do you guys think?
Also it has been speculated that this effect can apply to black holes although this does not gain much acceptance
 
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Trollfaz said:
Quantum zeno effect states that an unstable particle can be prevented from decaying by being observed/measured
It's not "observation/measurement"; any interaction sufficient to collapse the wave function will do the trick. It just so happens that you can't measure something without interacting with it. So you're on the right track when you say
I m suspecting that the reason behind this is that the em pulses are helping to keep the atoms in the excited state to slow down decay.

Also it has been speculated that this effect can apply to black holes although this does not gain much acceptance
We don't do speculation here.
 
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It's of course the interaction of the atoms with the em. field that keeps them longer in the unstable state. It's just popular-science gibberish to say that observing something hinders the atom to decay to the ground state.
 
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vanhees71 said:
It's of course the interaction of the atoms with the em. field that keeps them longer in the unstable state. It's just popular-science gibberish to say that observing something hinders the atom to decay to the ground state.
It is a part of standard professional language in the field to say that measurement causes the quantum Zeno effect, as can be seen e.g. in https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0411145
But one should distinguish measurement from observation. Measurement is a physical process of interaction, observation happens in a subjective mind.
 
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This means that only microscopic quantum systems are subjected to this effect i think. And i also believe that as long as the measurement stops, the effect wears off
 
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