Does twisted light violate Fermat's principle?

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Twisted light propagates in a helical trajectory, which raises questions about its compliance with Fermat's principle and traditional refraction laws. Discussions clarify that the trajectory of the phase of twisted light does not equate to its propagation direction, which remains straight. Twisted light is distinct from circularly polarized light, characterized by a spatially varying phase front. The consensus is that neither twisted light nor accelerated light violates Fermat's principle, as their ray trajectories adhere to established optical laws. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between different types of light behavior in optics.
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The twisted light propagate in curved line, then does twisted light violate Ferma's priciple?And then it violate refraction and refractive laws?
 
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fxdung said:
The twisted light propagate in curved line, ...
What do you mean? Please provide a reference for the "propagating in curved line" part.
 
fxdung said:
The twisted light propagate in curved line, then does twisted light violate Ferma's priciple?And then it violate refraction and refractive laws?

Don't mistake the behavior of the field vectors for the direction of travel.
 
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In Optics by Hecht, he say the trajectory of phase of EM wave of twisted light is helix.
 
fxdung said:
In Optics by Hecht, he say the trajectory of phase of EM wave of twisted light is helix.
An exact quote would be helpful.

It sounds like he is speaking of a circularly polarized light beam and is depicting the direction and magnitude of the electric or magnetic field vectors at each point on the beam as if they were physical displacements of the beam.

As @Drakkith points out, those lateral vectors are not displacements (e.g. in centimeters) but are field strengths (e.g. in volts/meter).
 
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fxdung said:
In Optics by Hecht, he say the trajectory of phase of EM wave of twisted light is helix.
Trajectory of phase is not the propagation trajectory. The propagation direction is the straight green axis below.

Helix_oam.png


From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_angular_momentum_of_light
 
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The phase velocity is greater c if propagation velocity is c?
 
No, actually you get a local modification of the Poynting vector. The propagation velocity along the green axis will be slightly less than c because the local Poynting vector is slightly tilted away from the green axis at every point. See the following image:

Poynting.jpg


This image was shamelessly stolen from the following talk slides by Miles Padgett: https://www.gla.ac.uk/media/Media_263851_smxx.pdf

And just for the record as people often confuse that: Twisted light is not circularly polarized light, but light with a spatially varying phase front, usually a helical gradient of multiples of 2 pi.
 
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I think this only happens close to the source, within its radiation near zone, or within a waveguide.
 
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So, is there any difference between accelerated light and twisted light?If accelerated light propagate on curved trajectory, then does it violate Ferma's principle?
 
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fxdung said:
So, is there any difference between accelerated light and twisted light?If accelerated light propagate on curved trajectory, then does it violate Ferma's principle?

Twisted and accelerated light are totally different things. Ray trajectories associated with accelerated light do not violate Fermat's principle.
 
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