Doppler effect and Speed of light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Doppler effect as it relates to the speed of light and sound, exploring how the frequency and speed of waves are affected by the motion of the source relative to the observer. Participants examine the implications of redshift and blueshift in light, as well as analogous effects in sound.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the redshift of light from a receding object implies that the speed of light has decreased relative to the observer.
  • Another participant clarifies that the frequency of light is affected by the Doppler effect, but the speed of light remains constant.
  • A participant notes the relationship between speed, frequency, and wavelength, asserting that the speed of light does not change as frequency and wavelength vary inversely.
  • There is a parallel drawn to sound waves, with a participant asking if the same principles apply to the speed of sound when considering moving sources.
  • A participant responds by stating that the speed of sound remains constant under similar conditions, being dependent on the medium's properties rather than the motion of the source.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the speed of light remains constant regardless of the motion of the source. However, there is ongoing debate about the implications of the Doppler effect for both light and sound, with some uncertainty about how these principles apply across different contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how the Doppler effect is perceived in different media or the specific conditions under which the speed of sound is considered constant.

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If light from a moving away object, such as a star, would appear red-shifted (and blue in case of approaching object), why don't we conclude that the speed of light is affected from that. Doesn't it mean that since light from a moving away object appear red, then the speed of light with respect to us has reduced (C-V) ?
 
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No, the FREQUENCY is affected. That's what red/blue shifted means. The speed is unchanged.
 
The frequency and the speed are related by ##v=f\lambda## where ##\lambda## is the wavelength. With light ##\lambda## changes as the reciprocal of ##f##, so ##v## remains constant.
 
DaleSpam said:
The frequency and the speed are related by ##v=f\lambda## where ##\lambda## is the wavelength. With light ##\lambda## changes as the reciprocal of ##f##, so ##v## remains constant.

So, this must be true even in case of sound. So, does the speed of sound also remain constant in such case?
 
When a car passes you by, and you hear the pitch of its engine's sound change, do you conclude the speed of sound in the air changed at that moment?
 
rushikesh said:
So, this must be true even in case of sound. So, does the speed of sound also remain constant in such case?
Yes, the speed of sound depends on the properties of the air (temperature, density, velocity, etc.), not the speed of the emitter. Two different emitters, one stationary and one moving but otherwise identical, will produce sound waves at different frequencies and wavelengths, but the same speed.
 

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