Dot and Cross Products: Solving for [u x v] - 0, Simplification and Distribution

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The discussion centers on the mathematical expression u · (u x v) and the confusion surrounding why the result is zero. It highlights that the cross product u x v produces a vector that is orthogonal to both u and v, leading to a dot product of zero when u is dotted with this orthogonal vector. Participants clarify that there is no need to distribute u across the components of v, as the orthogonality principle suffices to explain the outcome. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding vector multiplication types and their implications in vector calculus. Ultimately, the conclusion is that the dot product of any vector with a vector orthogonal to it results in zero.
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Homework Statement



u (dot) [ u x v]

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The answer is 0, but I'm not sure why. Do you simplify [u x v], then use that vector to dot it with u? Or can you distribute the u to both u and v?
 
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The vector of \left|u \times v\right| = \left|\begin{array}{cc}i & j & k\\u_1 & u_2 & u_3\\v_1 & v_2 &v_3\end{array}\right|Then substitute in u for i,j,k because you're trying to prove that the vector \left|u \times v\right| is orthogonal to both u and v. Then simplify and distribute.
 
Lurid said:

Homework Statement



u (dot) [ u x v]

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is 0, but I'm not sure why. Do you simplify [u x v], then use that vector to dot it with u? Or can you distribute the u to both u and v?
Hello Lurid. Welcome to PF !

You have two different kinds of multiplication involving vectors. Why would you be tempted to do any distributing ?


u × v is perpendicular to both u and v.

What is the result of taking the dot product (scalar product) of two vectors which are perpendicular to each other?
 
Lurid said:

Homework Statement



u (dot) [ u x v]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is 0, but I'm not sure why. Do you simplify [u x v], then use that vector to dot it with u? Or can you distribute the u to both u and v?

Sometimes the easiest way is to just write things down in detail. If \textbf{u} = u_x \textbf{i} + u_y\, \textbf{j} + u_z\textbf{k} \mbox{ and } \textbf{v} = v_x \textbf{i} + v_y \, \textbf{j} + v_z \textbf{k}, then the x-component of \textbf{u} \times <br /> \textbf{v} is u_y v_z - u_z v_y. When we take the dot product with u, we take u_x times the above. We have two other such terms from the y- and z-components, so all we need to do is sum them up and simplify. It really is not difficult.

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