Double Integrals Limits of Integration

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The discussion revolves around the limits of integration for double integrals, particularly focusing on when it is permissible to change the limits based on symmetry properties of the integrand. Participants explore the conditions under which integrals can be simplified by leveraging symmetry, both in single and double integrals.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that for single integrals, if the integrand is even and the limits are symmetric about the origin, the integral can be simplified by doubling the integral from 0 to the positive limit.
  • One participant explains that for double integrals over a rectangular region, similar rules apply, allowing for simplification if the integrand exhibits certain symmetry properties.
  • Another participant questions how to determine if a function is even when dealing with double integrals.
  • One participant introduces the concept of symmetry around a point other than the origin, suggesting that integrals can also be simplified if the function is symmetric around a point b.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of odd and even functions in the context of two variables, with some participants noting that the terminology differs from single-variable functions.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate the concepts of odd and even functions, highlighting that many functions in two variables do not fit neatly into these categories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and applications of even and odd functions in the context of double integrals. There is no consensus on the best approach to determine symmetry for functions of two variables, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these properties for integration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for misunderstanding the conditions under which symmetry can be applied, as well as the complexity of functions that do not conform to simple even or odd classifications in two variables.

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I am just starting to do double integrals and came acorss an issue. I remembered from single integrals when we integrate from limits for say -1 to 1, we can double it and change integration limits to 0 to 1. Now, when is this the case? Basically, when can we not do this?
 
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I am just starting to do double integrals and came acorss an issue. I remembered from single integrals when we integrate from limits for say -1 to 1, we can double it and change integration limits to 0 to 1. Now, when is this the case? Basically, when can we not do this?
This can be done in general if and only if integrand is even and you are integrating over a symmetric interval about the origin. That is, if f(x) = f(-x) then
\int_{-a}^a f(x) \text{d}x = 2\int_0^a f(x) \text{d}x\;.
For double integration over a rectangular region, you can simply applied the above rule separately to each integral. If f(x,y) = f(x,-y), then
\int_{-a}^a \int_{-b}^b f(x,y) \text{d}y \text{d}x = 2\int_{-a}^a\int_0^b f(x,y) \text{d}y \text{d}x\;,
and if f(x,y) = f(-x,-y)
\int_{-a}^a \int_{-b}^b f(x,y) \text{d}y \text{d}x = 4\int_0^a\int_0^b f(x,y) \text{d}y \text{d}x\;.

If you are integrating over a non-rectangular region in Cartesian coordinates, i.e. if the inner limits depend on the outer variable of integration, then you need to be a little more careful, but you can apply the rule.
 
Hmm.. I see. Thanks a lot. With the functions that arise in double integrals, how to know if the function is even?
 
It does not need to be symmetrical around origo does it?

Basically if you have a function such that f(b-x)=f(b+x) then the function is symmetrical around b. And if the integration limits are b+a and b-a, you can use symmetry.

Just and example from the top of my head

\int_{0}^{2} \sqrt{(x-1)^2-1} dx \, = \, 2\int_{0}^{1} \sqrt{(x-1)^2-1} dx

Also if a function is "odd" around a point b. Then the integral evaluates to zero. If it is not specified to find the area. If you are supposed to find the area, just halve one of the integration limits.

\Large \int_{{\frac{3\pi}{4}}}^{\frac{5\pi}{4}} \tan(x) dx

This is an odd function symmetrical around a point b, which makes the integral zero. Same with functions of two variables.

To briefely sum it up

\int_{a}^{b} f(x) dx

Is odd around c if f(\frac{b+a}{2}-x) \, = \, -f(x)
Is even around c if f(\frac{b+a}{2}-x) \, = \, f(x)
And the point it is symmetrical around is c=f(\frac{b+a}{2})
 
In general, we do not talk about functions that are "odd" or "even" in two variables. Rather we talk about a function being "odd" or "even" in each variable.

f(x,y)= x^3y^3 is odd in both variables.
g(x,y)= x^2y^3 is even in x, odd in y.
h(x,y)= x^3y^2 is odd in x, even in y.
j(x,y)= x^2y^2 is even in both variables.

Of course, as is the case in one variable, the great majority of functions in two variables are neither even nor odd.

k(x,y)= x^2y^2+ x^3y^3 is neither even nor odd in either variable.
 

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