Doubly Special Relativity

[jjzeidner]

Hello. This is my first post on this site.

anyone here familiar with "Doubly Special Relativity"? an ARXIV paper was linked in the OP. Some follow up links or other advice would be appreciated.

• Kowalski-Glikman, J., "Introduction to Doubly Special Relativity", (2004). arXiv:hep-th/0405273.

thanks!

 

[jjzeidner]

why was this moved here and given an incorrect title?

 

[DrClaude]

why was this moved here and given an incorrect title?

Because this is the proper forum for the topic. I have fixed the title.

 

[Ibix]

As a result of the move, it might be worth noting that the OP mentioned in the OP (!) is the Experimental Basis of SR FAQ stickied in Relativity.

 

[jjzeidner]

the link I posted was FROM at page!

 

[Ibix]

I know - my post was intended as a note to people who might read your post and be confused about what OP it was referencing, since your post is now an OP in its own thread and no longer a reply to the FAQ thread.

 

[Vanadium 50]

I'm struggling with what this thread is trying to do. Is it a complaint that things were moved? Is it a request that somebody summarize the paper and explain DSR? Is there some specific question?
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People seem to be upset, but the parth to making them un-upset does not seem clear to me.

 

[BoraxZ]

I think doubly SR is a thing from the past. There was a flurry of interest. It basically says that besides an invariant speed of light there is an invariant Planck-energy or Planck-length. Is the Planck length Lorentz-invariant?

The speed of light and the Planck constant are the same in every reference frame. Is G too?

 

[Thelamon]

A "yes" for a change ;).

All (fundamental) physical constants are 'invariant' as in observer independent. But the Planck’s constant or Boltzmann’s constant are not called 'Lorentz invariants'.

(In GR, of course G=c=1 so it would be really weird if it wasn't.)

 

[BoraxZ]

A "yes" for a change ;).

All (fundamental) physical constants are 'invariant' as in observer independent. But the Planck’s constant or Boltzmann’s constant are not called 'Lorentz invariants'.

(In GR, of course G=c=1 so it would be really weird if it wasn't.)

But is G the same if measured in different frames?

 

[BoraxZ]

A "yes" for a change ;).

All (fundamental) physical constants are 'invariant' as in observer independent. But the Planck’s constant or Boltzmann’s constant are not called 'Lorentz invariants'.

(In GR, of course G=c=1 so it would be really weird if it wasn't.)

We can read:

"Doubly special relativity[1][2] (DSR) – also called deformed special relativity or, by some[who?], extra-special relativity – is a modified theory of special relativity in which there is not only an observer-independent maximum velocity (the speed of light), but also, an observer-independent maximum energy scale (the Planck energy) and/or a minimum length scale (the Planck length)."

Why say there is a minimum length scale, the Planck length, if it's Lorentz invariant already? Well the length itself changes for different observers. It goes to zero like all lengths. But DSR says this won't happen. Which is strange.

 

[Thelamon]

The speed of light and the Planck constant are the same in every reference frame. Is G too?

It's a little bit weird imo saying "the speed of light" (without c) and "the Planck constant" (without h) and then just G, so a little advice it's better to be complete and clear, specially if you're going to write an article once upon a time .. so Gravitational constant, G.

But is G the same if measured in different frames?

Yes, measurements made which are not, are observer- or frame dependent.

We can read

Yes, at least everyone reading this or anything else.

 

[strangerep]

Why say there is a minimum length scale, the Planck length, if it's Lorentz invariant already? Well the length itself changes for different observers. It goes to zero like all lengths. But DSR says this won't happen. Which is strange.

The length constant doesn't shrink in that theory -- just as the value of $c$ doesn't change if you perform a Lorentz boost to a different velocity.

To understand this properly, one must look at the actual coordinate transformations proposed in the theory. Wikipedia quotes de Sitter Relativity as an example of DSR. Its length constant is indeed invariant.