Dynamics - determining an angle

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a mechanism with rotating shafts and connecting rods. The original poster seeks to determine the angular speed of a connecting rod and the speed of a piston based on given parameters and angles in a diagram.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind the angles presented in the velocities diagram, particularly the angle between the velocity vector of point A and the x-axis. There is uncertainty about how the angle of 30 degrees was established and its relation to the known angles in the mechanism.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's questions and clarifications regarding the angles involved. Some have expressed confusion about the assumptions made in the solution manual, while others are exploring the implications of circular motion in the context of the problem. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the angles and distances are fixed parameters, but there is ambiguity regarding the interpretation of these angles in relation to the velocity vectors. The original poster has indicated a lack of clarity in the solution manual's approach, which is a point of contention in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3696/abaod.jpg

In mechanism OAB, as described in the drawing, shaft OA rotates counterclockwise at an angular speed of 50 rad/sec.

Given:
OA = AB = R = 300mm

For the condition where angle Phi is 30 degrees, calculate:

A) The angular speed of the connecting rod AB
B) The speed of piston B

The Attempt at a Solution



Right now my confusion emanates from the velocities diagram of the solution manual. Notice that they've determined that the angle between Va and the X axis is 30 degrees. Based on what principle has this been determined? Yes, we do know that angles ABO and AOB are 30 degrees, but I don't see how that necessarily relates to the fact that the angle between Va and X axis is 30.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1733/velocitiesdiagram.jpg
 
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Can you say something about the angle between OA and vA?

And the angle between OA and the x-axis (in its positive direction)?
 
I'm sorry, I forgot a fact

OA = AB = R = 300mm
 
I like Serena said:
Can you say something about the angle between OA and vA?

Well, no, because I don't know at what angle do I pitch vA. I don't know how they've come up with the fact it's 30 degrees.
And the angle between OA and the x-axis (in its positive direction)?

Well, that's a given to us, 120 degrees
 
Femme_physics said:
Well, no, because I don't know at what angle do I pitch vA. I don't know how they've come up with the fact it's 30 degrees.

And what if you consider that point A makes a circular motion around point O? :confused:


Femme_physics said:
Well, that's a given to us, 120 degrees

Not that one - the other side (with the positive x axis)! :wink:
 
And what if you consider that point A makes a circular motion around point O?

Great explanation. I can see clearly now the rain is gone :)


Not that one - the other side (with the positive x axis)!

Um, I guess I had a different idea of positive. Then it's 60 degrees! :) I think I'm able to unravel a lot now thanks to you. Hmm. Now I guess I can carry on, but class is starting in 50 minutes and I got to catch a ride. Thanks ILS for all the great help. :) I hope that now I'll be able to solve it without your godly touch directing me at the right course. :)
 

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