Dynamics - Relative velocities in rigid bodies

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the dynamics of two gears with specified angular velocities and radii, connected by an arm. The original poster seeks to determine the angular velocity of the connecting arm and the speed of a point on that arm, indicating some confusion regarding relative velocities in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angular velocities of the gears and the connecting arm, questioning the assumptions about the gears' interaction and the definition of the reference points. There is a focus on the no-slip condition at the contact point between the gears.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the velocities at the contact points and the angular velocities of the gears. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with attempts to clarify the setup and assumptions, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a diagram, which could clarify the spatial relationships and positions of the gears and points involved. The original poster's confusion about relative velocity concepts is acknowledged, and assumptions about the gears' configurations are being examined.

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Homework Statement



Point O is fixed in space. Gear 1 has an angular velocity of 20k rad/s, and Gear 2 has an angular velocity of -10k rad/s. r1 = 0.3 m and r2 = 0.2 m. What is the angular velocity of the connecting arm OA, and what is the speed of A?

Gear 1 is larger than Gear 2. Gear 1 is connected to point O and Gear 2 is connected to point A.

Homework Equations



vA=vO + (wOA x rA/O)

The Attempt at a Solution



w2=w1 + w2/1
-10k=20k+w2/1
w2/1=-30k

vA=vO+(wOA x rA/O)
vA=0 + -30k x .5i
vA= -6j m/s

The correct answer is 4j m/s. I think I am using the right equations but I am not fully understanding the concept of relative velocity when different bodies are in effect. Can someone please explain this problem to me? Thank you.
 
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kdm06 said:
Can someone please help me?

No reply so far could have been because your problem was not very clear! I did have a hard time understanding it. You nowhere mentioned where is A? A figure should have made things easier.

From the question and your attempt at solution, this is what I have been able to figure out: The two gears are touching each other externally! (Note that, they could have been independent as well.)
Furthermore, I have also assumed that the angular velocities provided for each of the gears are about their own axes, not w.r.t. the fixed ground. Of course, since O is fixed, w1/O = w1/G = 20k rad/s. Here, 1 refers to gear 1 and G refers to ground reference. But, A is not fixed. Thus, w2/A = -10k rad/s, which is not equal to w2/G. Now, we are required to find wA/O, angular velocity of A w.r.t. O (which will also be equal to wA/G).

Now to find wAO, note that there is no slip at contact point. Let us call contact point P. (The point on gear 1 be called P1 and the point on gear 2 be called P2.)
For no-slip condition at P, velocity of P1 must be equal to velocity of point P2.
vP1/O = vP2/O.

Now, vP1/O = w1/O X rP1/O.
And, as vP2 = vA/O + vP2/A,
=> vP2/O = wA/O X rA/O + w2/A X rP2/A.

{ X stands for vector cross product, and letters in bold refer to vector quantities. }

Now, without loss of any generality, we can assume that P is a point on x-axis. (Note, all angular velocities are in k direction.
Then, vP1/O = 6j m/s,
and, vP2/O = (O.5*wA/O + 2)j m/s.
Wherefrom, wA/O = 8 rad/s.
Thus, wA/O = 8k rad/s.

And, vA/O = wA/O X rA/O = 4j m/s.

Thus, vA/O = 4 m/s.

Note: Try to put up clear questions.
 
Thank you so much. I'm sorry I didn't have picture because it was confusing. I just don't know how to put a picture on here. I'll try next time. Thank you.
 

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