Effect of density on rms speed in ideal gas eqn

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The discussion centers on the relationship between density and root mean square (rms) speed in the context of the ideal gas equation. It clarifies that while density appears to be inversely proportional to rms speed at constant pressure, the relevant condition here is constant temperature. The conclusion reached is that rms speed is solely dependent on temperature, as density does not factor into the kinetic energy equation. This misunderstanding was resolved through clarification of the conditions affecting the equations. Ultimately, it is confirmed that density has no effect on the rms speed of an ideal gas when temperature is held constant.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


1) PV = nRT
2 )## P = ⅓ ρ<c^2> ##
3) KE ∝ T

The Attempt at a Solution


According to the second equation above, density is inversely proportional to root mean square speed at constant pressure, but the answer states that the root mean square speed depends only on the temperature so the answer is no effect.

I don't see how when the second equation suggests otherwise. Can someone help me out?
 
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toforfiltum said:
According to the second equation above, density is inversely proportional to root mean square speed at constant pressure
Yes, but the question states constant temperature, not constant pressure.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, but the question states constant temperature, not constant pressure.
Oops, how could I misread that. Thanks.
So to prove this, it is ## \frac {1} {2} Nm<c^2> = \frac{3} {2} NkT ## ? Which is KE ∝ T?
Since ρ is not in the above equation, it is proven that density has no effect on root mean square speed?

Thanks!
 
toforfiltum said:
Oops, how could I misread that. Thanks.
So to prove this, it is ## \frac {1} {2} Nm<c^2> = \frac{3} {2} NkT ## ? Which is KE ∝ T?
Since ρ is not in the above equation, it is proven that density has no effect on root mean square speed?

Thanks!
Ok.
 
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