Effect of Earth's B field on an e/m experiment

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The discussion focuses on measuring the charge to mass ratio of an electron while considering the Earth's magnetic field's impact on the experiment. It highlights the need to account for the vector nature of magnetic fields when they are not aligned, as this affects the trajectory of the electron beam. When the Earth's magnetic field is at an angle to the coils' field, the resulting motion is helical rather than circular due to the components of velocity relative to the magnetic field. The terminology used to describe this motion is debated, with a distinction made between "spiral" and "helical" paths. Overall, understanding the vector addition of magnetic fields is crucial for accurate experimental results.
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I am doing an experiment to measure the charge to mass ratio of an electron. And I have found the method suggested by Thompson to account for the effect of the Earth's magnetic field[http://ajp.aapt.org/resource/1/ajpias/v58/i10/p1019_s1?isAuthorized=no" ]. But it only gives the equation, i.e. B_total=B_coils+B_earth, when the Earth's B field is (anti)parallel to the field from the coils. How about when the Earth's B field is oriented at an angle to the B field from the coils? Can you suggest journals or textbook references that mentions this case?
 
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omicgavp said:
How about when the Earth's B field is oriented at an angle to the B field from the coils?

The magnetic field \vec B is a vector quantity. Do you know how to add vectors?
 
jtbell said:
The magnetic field \vec B is a vector quantity. Do you know how to add vectors?
If I solve for the vector sum of B_earth and B_coils, I would obtain a different direction for the total magnetic field which is contrary to that of the supposed circular path of the e- beam, i.e. B_total should be perpendicular to both F_m and v.
 
When B is not perpendicular to v, you don't get a circular path. Think of v as having components perpendicular and parallel to B. The perpendicular component of v tends to produce circular motion, but the parallel component of v "carries" this circular motion along the direction of B, so you get a helical path whose axis is parallel to B. See this page for example:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

He calls the path a "spiral" which I consider to be incorrect terminology. To me, a "spiral" has a steadily decreasing radius so the path "shrinks" towards the center. And his picture looks more like a sine-wave than a spiral, but that's surely merely a matter of the crudeness of the drawing.
 
A while ago, I made an animation showing the helicoidal motion of a charged particle in a uniform magnetic field (when B is not perpendicular to v):

http://bestphysicsvideos.blogspot.com/2011/01/charged-particle-in-magnetic-field.html

Hope this helps.



jtbell said:
When B is not perpendicular to v, you don't get a circular path. Think of v as having components perpendicular and parallel to B. The perpendicular component of v tends to produce circular motion, but the parallel component of v "carries" this circular motion along the direction of B, so you get a helical path whose axis is parallel to B. See this page for example:

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/302l/lectures/node73.html

He calls the path a "spiral" which I consider to be incorrect terminology. To me, a "spiral" has a steadily decreasing radius so the path "shrinks" towards the center. And his picture looks more like a sine-wave than a spiral, but that's surely merely a matter of the crudeness of the drawing.
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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