Effectiveness of makeshift titration setup

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effectiveness of a makeshift titration setup for measuring the concentration of an alkali substance without standard laboratory equipment. Participants explore alternative methods and indicators that could be used in place of traditional titration tools.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using litmus paper as an indicator and a plastic syringe instead of a buret, indicating that the exact concentration is not crucial.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the accuracy of the proposed method but believes it could work within a few percent error, questioning how the titrant will be standardized.
  • A participant proposes using 32 percent hydrochloric acid as a titrant, considering diluting it for easier calculations.
  • Another participant agrees that the method should work in principle but notes that accuracy would be low, suggesting red cabbage juice as an alternative indicator.
  • One participant shares their experience using a plastic eyedropper and a pH indicator solution for simple titrations, detailing their method of standardizing against vinegar and the process of forward and back titration.
  • This participant also discusses the importance of preventing the caustic titrant from reacting with CO2 and mentions re-standardizing weekly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that makeshift methods can work, but there is no consensus on the accuracy and reliability of these methods. Multiple competing views on the best indicators and titration techniques remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential for low accuracy in the proposed methods, the need for standardization of titrants, and the dependence on specific indicators that may not yield consistent results.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking low-cost alternatives for titration in experimental settings, particularly in educational or resource-limited environments.

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Hello, I have to preform a titration on a alkali substance but do not have the neccesary equipment to do so. I was hoping a strip of litmus paper submerged in the solution could be used as an indicator and a small plastic syringe could be used instead of a buret. The exact concentration does not have to be known, just a simple percentage, so I am not looking for anything fancy. Let me know if this will work and if there are other methods that will work better but do not use expensive equipment.
 
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Never tried it, but I don't see why it shouldn't work within a few percent error.

How are you going to standardize your titrant?
 
Well, I was going to use some 32 percent hydrochloric acid as a titrant. I'm thinking of diluting it to something like .005 mole per ml for easy calculations.
 
As I wrote - I don't see why it shouldn't work in principle, although accuracy would be low. Comparing two samples - that one contains more base. this one contains less - should work OK.

You may try red cabbage juice for an indicator.
 
I often do simple titrations with a plastic eyedropper that has a 1.0 ml marking, and a pH indicator solution used for swimming pools (Phenol Red, Yellow to red pH 6.5-8.0), Aquarium test kits can also be obtained that will have similar indicator if there is a alkalinity test. The red cabbage juice also works, though the back titration from alkaline to acid has be slow since the bluish form tends to precipitate and has to be redissolved during back titration with standard acid.

I make my acid (from simple muratic acid from the hardware store) about 100+-50 millimolar, and make a caustic solution from aq 45% KOH to be approximately the same millimolarity.
I standardize against an aliquot of "distilled white vinegar" (not distilled but made from distilled alcohol -Wiki has this mistaken at least here in the US). This is mandated in the US to be not less than 5% by volume acetic acid, and I use a drop counting method to get my factors for drops per ml titrant (typically about 30-32 drops per ml). I use a forward titration with unstandardized base and the Phenol red to a stable just beginning pinkish orange, note the number, and overtitrate to red. I find that economics would suggest that the manufacturer won't sell vinegar that exceeds the minimum by even two sig figs (vinegar is made concentrated at about 8-12% from microbial oxidation of spirits and nutrient according to Othmer's Chemical Processes, and diluted to standards for sale) so it makes a good standard that can be calculated after converting the aliqot to the number of millimole acetic acid. After overshooting , I then use the vinegar to back titrate, and record the amounts. A titration that involves about 60 drops titrant will give a figure that is good to two sig figs. The HCL is then titrated against the standardized base, and can be used for back titrations.

In this way I have been able to monitor and adjust pH for feedstocks (syrups, hydrolyzates, etc..) used for biofuel fermentations. The processes scale up and can be monitored cheaply, and Phenol red can be readily seen even with some brownish starting materials.

I keep the caustic titrant in a closed bottle to prevent reaction with CO2, and will re-standardize weekly.
 
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