Efficiency Calculations for Mechanical Systems

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The discussion focuses on calculating efficiency for two mechanical systems: a slide and a motor. For the slide, the initial calculations led to an unrealistic efficiency percentage, prompting clarification that efficiency should be calculated as energy out divided by energy in. The second problem involves a 5000 W motor lifting crates, where the correct approach involves using power to determine force and subsequently the mass of the crates. The calculations confirm that the mass of the crate is approximately 102.04 kg, consistent across different methods. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying formulas for energy and efficiency in physics problems.
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Ok so I'm in Gr 11 U Physics and we have an assignment and I have a couple q's

1) While at the park a child sits on top of a 3.5m slide. When he reaches the bottom of the slide, he is traveling at 3.0m/s. Calaculate the efficency of the slide

2) A 5000 W motor is lifting crates from the bottom of a mine shaft to the ground above at a constant rate of 5m/s. What is the maximum weight of a crate to be lifted up the shaft?
 
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ok well for the first one...we did something similar in class, but when I tried it, it was definately wrong. we were told to not include mass when it is not given so for this it would be:
Eg = mg x h Ek= 1/2mv2
= m(9.8)(3.5) =(0.5)m(3.0)2
=34.3mJ =4.5mJ

%e =Eg /Ek x 100%
= 34.3mJ/ 4.5m/J x100%
= 762.2%This answer is evidently wrong
 
for the second one I have no idea where to even begin
P=5000W or J/s
v= 5.0m/s

So I originally tried figuring out force which you can get by doing
F = P/ V
= 5000W/5.0m/s
= 1000N
and I believe you can find the mass of that by dividing the
1000N/9.8 = 102.04kg
is that it or is there more to it?
 
First, you need to find the energy lost;

E_{lost} = E_{inital} - E_{final

Then you need to find the efficency;

= 1- \frac{E_{lost}}{E_{initial}}

Can you go from here?

~H
 
First off, I solved the 5000W motor problem using different equations and arrived at the same answer, so I would say that your calculation of the mass is correct. What I did was realize that since power is work over time, and the work will be the increase in potential energy in this case I could replace work with mgh (where m is mass, g is acceleration due to gravity and h is the change in height) and then solve for m. That method yielded your answer.

For the slide question, you stated that %e=Eg/Ek*100. In my class we said that %e=(energy out)/(energy in) * 100. I think that will give you a much more reasonable result.
 
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