Efficient Tunnel Inspection Methods: Seeking Suggestions

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The discussion focuses on methods for inspecting hydro-electric tunnels, specifically exploring the integration of radar and laser technologies with visual inspection techniques. Participants share ideas on the challenges of conducting inspections in such environments, including power supply, guidance systems, and the detection of structural issues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses developing a radar/laser guided system for tunnel inspection and seeks suggestions for better approaches.
  • Another participant highlights challenges such as the length of tunnels, power supply issues, and the unreliability of GPS underground, noting that radar and water do not mix well.
  • Concerns are raised about detecting early signs of leakage and wall failures, suggesting that understanding what to look for is crucial.
  • A suggestion is made to use a tether cable with sonar for localization and to test wall integrity using sonar or ultrasound pulses.
  • One participant mentions a "leaky cable" system that could transmit radio signals and discusses the potential use of low-frequency signals with military assistance.
  • Another participant clarifies that visual inspections will occur when tunnels are drained and mentions the use of geo-hydrologists for hydraulic conductivity testing to identify leakage.
  • A suggestion is made for an electrically driven tracked vehicle that could drag a power cable and fiber optics link to provide sufficient bandwidth for inspections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and approaches, with no clear consensus on the best method for tunnel inspection. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Challenges related to power supply, guidance systems, and the specific conditions of the tunnels are noted, but the discussion does not resolve these issues or provide definitive solutions.

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Good afternoon

I'm doing geological surveying, magnetronomy, Orthomosiac photography and visual inspection of structures, with our UAV's

I am currently developing a radar/laser guided system for inspecting hydro-electric tunnels. I want to incorporate it with a 360deg photo of the tunnel diameter.

Does anyone have any good ideas on how to approach this and if there are any better ways of doing this ?
 
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Interesting challenge.
Hydro tunnels can be miles long and are rarely empty after they have been dug. So getting power to your system will be problem one. Guidance will be problem two, no reliable GPS underground, radar and water don't mix, laser in water has range and absorption issues. A power/tether cable can give pretty basic location data.
Afaik, the major concern in hydro tunnels are leakage and wall failures. The early signs of either are not that obvious, so getting a good understanding of what you are looking for is probably a reasonable start.
 
Thanks Etudiant :)
 
Will that be a flying vehicle or a boat / sub like thing?

A tether cable plus a sonar ping (radial location) might give you enough localization data. To test wall integrity one way is some sort of sonar or ultrasound pulse. Leakage should be harder to monitor.
 
Thanks Rollenstein sounds interesting, however the vehicle won't be submersed the tunnel would not be completely dry.

We are toying around a "leaky cable" system, that we will drive out with a tracked vehicle attached to a strong cable for retrieval.
This way we can send radio signals along the cable.
The other idea is to go very low frequency, but then we have to beg the military for some help to use their frequencies...

i appreciate any suggestions.
 
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This is purely for visual inspections. The tunnels will be drained during our testing, and we have geo-hydrologists that will measure the hydraulic conductivity with packer systems around the tunnels, this will show up any leakage into the surrounding bedrock and earth.
We do hydraulic conductivity testing as part of our service as well.
 
Depending on the site (some tunnels are very steep), an electrically driven tracked vehicle dragging a power cable along with a fiber optics link would seem a possibility. That gives you all the bandwidth you might want.
 

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