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The discussion revolves around solving a specific integral involving trigonometric functions and a rational expression. Participants are exploring potential substitutions and methods for integration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of using substitution and the relevance of recognizing the form of the integrand as it relates to the quotient rule. There are questions about the structured approach to solving the integral and the validity of guessing substitutions.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants expressing differing views on the approach to take. Some suggest that recognizing the form of the integrand is crucial, while others emphasize the value of experimentation in finding a solution. No consensus has been reached, but various lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integration, with some expressing frustration over the lack of straightforward methods for solving integrals by hand. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges inherent in the problem and the need for creative approaches.

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[tex] \int \frac{x \cos(x) - \sin(x)}{( x-\sin(x))^2}\ \mbox{d}x [/tex]

I don't see which substitution I should use can anyone help me?
 
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The integrand looks a lot like something you'd get if you differentiated an expression of the form f(x)/g(x) using the quotient rule.
 
That I know, but it isn't helping me. I'm interested in a structured manner of solving this problem.
 
So guessing a substitution is structured, but noting the form of the integrand is 'unstructured'? That seems like a highly arbitrary choice to make. Since integrals are generically impossible to do by hand, I'd take what you can get when you can get it.
 
Indeed, with morphism's observation, a keen eye, and some algebra, you can easily arrive at the solution without any significant integration. But I have no other useful suggestion if your intent is otherwise.
 
matt grime said:
So guessing a substitution is structured, but noting the form of the integrand is 'unstructured'? That seems like a highly arbitrary choice to make. Since integrals are generically impossible to do by hand, I'd take what you can get when you can get it.

Fine. So how do I proceed next? I'm seeing something of a quotient rule but how can you find the primitive?
 
Just guess. Write down the form of (f(x)/g(x))'. What's a good guess for g(x)? Put that in. That's easy. Now start hunting for an f(x) that works.
 

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