Einstein summation notation for magnetic dipole field

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The discussion revolves around the application of Einstein summation notation in deriving the magnetic dipole field. Participants explore the derivation process, express confusion over specific steps, and share insights related to the notation.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in transitioning from a traditional derivation to using Einstein summation notation, specifically at a certain step involving derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests that the professor's approach may misinterpret the essence of Einstein notation.
  • A different participant proposes that the product rule for derivatives might be relevant to the evaluation of the derivative in question.
  • One participant provides a detailed alternative derivation using Einstein notation, including corrections and clarifications regarding the notation's application.
  • Several participants inquire about additional resources for practicing Einstein summation notation and related derivations.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the professor's approach, as one participant strongly critiques it while others express confusion or seek clarification. Multiple viewpoints on the application of Einstein notation remain present.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings in applying the product rule and the nuances of Einstein notation, but these issues remain unresolved within the discussion.

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I can do this derivation the old fashioned way, but am having trouble doing it with einstein summation notation.

Since \vec{B}=\nabla \times \vec{a}
\vec{B}=\mu_{0}/4\pi (\nabla \times (m \times r)r^{-3}))
4\pi \vec{B}/\mu_{0}=\epsilon_{ijk} \nabla_{j}(\epsilon_{klm} m_{l} r_{m} r^{-3})
=(\delta_{il}\delta_{jm}-\delta_{im}\delta_{jl})\partial_{j}m_{l}r_{m}r^{-3}

here is where I am stumbling. My professor has for the next step

=m_{l}(\delta_{il}\delta_{jm}-\delta_{im}\delta_{jl})r^{-3} \delta_{jm}-3 r_{m}\hat{r}_{j}r^{-4})

but I don't really know how to get to that step
 
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Fredrik said:
You may be interested in the The LaTeX guide for the forum. :smile: Link.

You were too fast. Was trying to get it to work just needed to delete the spaces in brackets I guess.
 
My first thought is that he's using the product rule for derivatives to evaluate ##\partial_j## acting on a product.
 
First off, tell your professor that he is horribly butchering Einstein notation. Seriously, what was written down misses the entire point of the notation. Anyways, ##\frac{4\pi}{\mu_{0}}B^{i} = \frac{4\pi}{\mu_{0}}\epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}A_{k} = \epsilon^{ijk}\epsilon_{klm}m^{l}[r^{-3}\partial_{j}r^{m} + r^{m}\partial_{j}(r^{-3})]## hence ##\frac{4\pi}{\mu_{0}}\epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}A_{k} = 2\delta^{[i}_{l}\delta^{j]}_{m}m^{l}[r^{-3}\partial_{j}r^{m} + r^{m}\partial_{j}(r^{-3})]##. Now, ##\partial_{j}r^{m} = \delta^{m}_{j}## and ##\partial_{j}(r^{-3}) = -3(-r^i r_{i})^{-5/2}r_{k}\partial_{j}r^{k} = -3r^{-4}\hat{r}_{j}## giving us ##\frac{4\pi}{\mu_{0}}\epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}A_{k} = 2\delta^{[i}_{l}\delta^{j]}_{m}m^{l}[r^{-3}\delta^{m}_{j} -3r^{-4}\hat{r}_{j}r^{m}]## as desired.

EDIT: By the way, in the above it should be ##(r^i r_{i})^{-5/2}## not ##(-r^i r_{i})^{-5/2}##; I've gotten too used to General Relativity xD.
 
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O wow, thanks. that makes much more sense now.
 
Do you know of any materials online that would give more written out examples of such derivations with Einstein summation? I just need more practice
 
mmpstudent said:
Do you know of any materials online that would give more written out examples of such derivations with Einstein summation? I just need more practice
I honestly can't think of any online resources off of the top of my head because I got used to the notation when learning special relativity (the text used was Schutz).
 

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