Einstein's Constant: The Speed of Light Irrespective of Source

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Einstein's theory posits that the speed of light remains constant at c m/s, regardless of the motion of its source, which contrasts with classical physics where velocities add linearly. A discussion highlights the confusion surrounding this principle, using the analogy of throwing a ball from a supersonic car versus shining a light from the same car. Participants clarify that while the ball's speed would increase relative to the observer, light does not follow this rule due to relativistic effects. The formula for velocity in special relativity shows that at speeds much lower than light, classical approximations hold true, but this breaks down as speeds approach c. The conversation concludes with a better understanding of the complexities of light speed and relativity.
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Einstein said that the speed of light will be constant irrespective of the speed of its source..

So, suppose your are onboard a supersonic car (imagine!) with the speed of 8 Mach, and you throw a ball in the same direction with a speed of say 1500m/s, the ball will actually have the velocity of 1500 M/s + 8 Mach..

Now instead of the ball, take a torch & switch it on..Einstein says that Light wud still travel at c m/s and not c + 8 Mach m/s...

Can anyone justify this? Is there any proof of this??

Thanx!
 
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HIGHLYTOXIC said:
So, suppose your are onboard a supersonic car (imagine!) with the speed of 8 Mach, and you throw a ball in the same direction with a speed of say 1500m/s, the ball will actually have the velocity of 1500 M/s + 8 Mach..

No, the ball will not have that speed exactly. It will have a speed that is slightly less.

Can anyone justify this? Is there any proof of this??

Yes, there is plenty of experimental evidence that the lighspeed barrier cannot be broken. Have you looked into it yourself?
 
Yeah actually, I have read a lot on light speed barrier...Infinte mass & infinite force, rate of time being affected etc etc...But I just dun get this thing, CANT EVEN LIGHT OUTSPEED LIGHT?
 
HIGHLYTOXIC said:
Einstein said that the speed of light will be constant irrespective of the speed of its source..

So, suppose your are onboard a supersonic car (imagine!) with the speed of 8 Mach, and you throw a ball in the same direction with a speed of say 1500m/s, the ball will actually have the velocity of 1500 M/s + 8 Mach..

Now instead of the ball, take a torch & switch it on..Einstein says that Light wud still travel at c m/s and not c + 8 Mach m/s...

Can anyone justify this? Is there any proof of this??

Thanx!

Reemeber Einstein was hradly a dunce, he certainly would not of missed something as simple as this (and that also goes for the millions of people who have learned the theory of special relativity since it was conceived). There's a good rule of thumb for this situation, if you find a trivial error in a simple, well-known theory that has been around for a century it is almost certainly you who have made the error (thats's not aimed at you in particular more at certain other postes who will remain nameless *cough*geistkeisel*cough*).

In Newtonian physics the velocity is subject to a simply vecor addition, that is to say if you were standing on the ground and spersonic car wizzed past you with velocity u and threw the occupant of the car threw a ball with velocity v (relative to the car), you would measure the velocity of the ball w as:

w = u + v

N special relativity things are not so simple as the above formula becomes:

w = \frac{u + v}{1 - \frac{uv}{c^2}}

Now you can see from the formula when u and v are much smaller than c,

w = u + v

is a very, very good approximation.
 
Hmm..I think I have got it now..Thanx for help!
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks

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