Elastic Collisions and Conservation of Momentum

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The problem involves an elastic collision between two cars, where one car is initially moving and the other is stationary. The first car rebounds in the opposite direction after the collision, and the task is to determine the mass and speed of the second car based on conservation of momentum and kinetic energy principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum and kinetic energy equations but expresses difficulty in finding a clear path to the solution. Some participants suggest setting up a second equation for conservation of kinetic energy to aid in the analysis.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different equations and relationships. There is a suggestion that the kinetic energy must also be conserved, which leads to further calculations regarding the mass and speed of the second car. A participant indicates that their reasoning has reached a satisfactory conclusion, although explicit consensus on the final values is not stated.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects the challenges of applying conservation laws in collision problems, with participants questioning their assumptions and the relationships between variables. The original poster notes a sense of frustration with the problem, indicating a struggle to connect the equations effectively.

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Homework Statement


A 1 Kg car moving at 2m/s collides elastically with a stationary car. The first car rebounds opposite to the original direction at 1m/s and the second car moves off in the original direction of the first car.
A) What is the mass of the 2nd car
B) What is the speed of the 2nd car


Homework Equations


P = M*V
M1V1 + M2V2 = M1V`1 + M2V`2


The Attempt at a Solution


I have been beating my head against this problem for hours now. It seems like it should be incredibly easy, and simple to figure out, but I just can't make it click in my head.
So I have:
Car1-- Initial momentum = 2*1 = 2, Final momentum = -1*1 = -1
Car2-- Initial momentum = 0*M2 = 0, Final momentum = M2*v`2

Since momentum is conserved --> Car1i + Car2i = Car1f + Car2f --> 2+0 = -1 + 3
Total final momentum of Car2 is 3 in the positive direction.

(1*2) + (M2*0) = (-1*1) + (M2V`2)

Ive spent i don't know how many hours trying to use these two equations to find some equality with M2. I mean the momentum of Car 2 after the collision, clearly needs to be +3, but there are an infinite combination of numbers that multiply to 3. I feel as though i am missing something extremely simple.
 
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The collision is elastic, energy is conserved. Set up a second equation for conservation of kinetic energy.

ehild
 
So Ke1i = .5(1)(2^2) =2
Ke2i = 0
KeTotal = 2

Ke1f = .5(1)(-1^2) = 0.5
So Ke2f must = 1.5
KeTotal = 2

Ke1f+Ke2f = 2
.5 + (mv^2)/2 = 2
mv^2 = 3

Then compare MV = 3 and MV^2 = 3? So MV^2 = MV
Which means V must be 1m/s and M must be 3 Kg?
 
It is correct now ! :smile:

ehild
 

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