Elastic collisions of a moving ball hitting a stationary ball

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In the discussion about elastic collisions, participants analyze a scenario involving two identical balls, one moving and one stationary. The key equations for momentum conservation in both x and y directions, as well as energy conservation, are established but participants express confusion about the calculations. The conversation highlights the need to isolate variables and use trigonometric identities to solve for the unknowns, specifically the velocities after the collision. Despite attempts to manipulate the equations, some users struggle with the algebra and seek clarification on the steps involved. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying conservation laws to solve collision problems.
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Homework Statement



A 2.0 kg ball moving with a speed of 3.0 m/s hits, elastically, an identical stationary ball. If the first ball moves away with an angle 30 degrees to the original path, determine the speed of the first ball after the collision, and the speed and direction of the second ball after the collision.

Homework Equations



v_1 = V_1cos30 + v_2cos(theta) for the movement in the "x" direction

and

0 = v_1cos30 + v_2cos(theta) for movement in the "y" directions


The Attempt at a Solution



Played with this for hours but to me it does not seem like there is enough information. I feel like I am missing at velocity for after the collision.

Thanks
 
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hi doub! welcome to pf! :smile:
doub said:
A 2.0 kg ball moving with a speed of 3.0 m/s hits, elastically …

an elastic collision is defined as one in which energy is conserved (as well as momentum, which is always conserved in collisions) :wink:
 
Right,

this is the best answer I got however I do not feel anywhere near confident.

3.0 m/s = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta) = 2.598 m/s + v_2'cos(theta) = 3.0 m/s - 2.598 m/s
so v_2'cos(theta) = 0.402 m/s in the "x" direction

0 = v_1'sin30 + v_2'sin(theta) = 1.299 m/s + v_2'sin(theta). so v_2'sin(theta) = -1.299 m/s

tan^-1 = v_2'cos(theta)/v_2'sin(theta) = -1.299/0402 = -72 degrees

and using sqrt(v_2'sin(theta)^2 + v_2'cos(theta)^2 = 1.36 m/s

am I anywhere in the ballpark at least?
 
hi doub! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
doub said:
3.0 m/s = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta) = 2.598 m/s + v_2'cos(theta) = 3.0 m/s - 2.598 m/s

no, v1' isn't 3.0, it's unknown!

try the momentum equations again (and you'll need an energy equation also) :smile:
 
yeah I'm totally lost now
 
start again, with v1' v2' and θ as your three variables

(you have three equations: x, y, and energy, so that should be solvable :wink:)

show us what you get :smile:
 
Ok,

The equations I have gotten are

x --> v_1 = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta)

y --> 0 = v_1'sin30 + v_2'sin(theta)

Energy --> v_1^2 = v_1'^2 + v_2'^2
 
fine so far :smile:

now fiddle about with the first two equations so that cosθ and sinθ are on their own, then use cos2θ + sin2θ = 1 to eliminate θ :wink:
 
So,

cos(theta) = v1 - (v1'cos30)/v2'

and

sin(theta) = (-va'sin30)/v2'

where do the sin2theta come from?
 
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uhh? :confused:

square both equations! :smile:
 
  • #11
I am just not seeing this...

cos2(θ) = (v12 -v12'cos302)/v2'2

sin2(θ) = (-v12'sin302)/v2'2

thanks very much for helping btw
 
  • #12
ok, now add

θ will miraculously disappear! o:)

:smile: pzzaaam!
 
  • #13
so if we add are we left with;

(v12 -v12'cos302) + (-v12'sin302) / 2v2'2

?
 
  • #14
doub said:
cos2(θ) = (v12 -v12'cos302)/v2'2

sin2(θ) = (-v12'sin302)/v2'2

actually, the RHS of that first equation should be (v1 -v1'cos30)2/v2'2
doub said:
so if we add are we left with;

(v12 -v12'cos302) + (-v12'sin302) / 2v2'2

?

how did you get that?

where has the = sign gone? :confused:
 
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