Electric Dipole Moment: Mechanics Counterpart Explained

AI Thread Summary
The electric dipole moment is defined as μ = -e x, where e is the electron charge and x is the displacement. In mechanics, the moment is typically defined as the force crossed with the position vector, leading to μ = Fx = -eE x for a 1D problem. However, this differs from the dipole moment definition because the electric dipole moment specifically relates to the moment of charge, not force. The discussion highlights that the dipole moment uses a geometric interpretation of moment, unlike the mechanical definition that incorporates force. Thus, the confusion arises from conflating the moment of force with the moment of charge.
KFC
Messages
477
Reaction score
4
I know the definition of the electric dipole moment is given by \mu = -e x, where e is the charge of electron and x is the displacement. I am thinking a mechanics counterpart of the dipole moment. We note that in mechanics, the moment is defined as the force cross the position vector. Consider 1D problem, the force of electric field is given by

F = -e E
where E is the electric field. So the moment should be

\mu = Fx = -eE x

but why this is different from the one in text (\mu=-ex) ? What's wrong in my reasoning?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi KFC! :smile:

Because a moment is of something … in the example you gave, it's the moment of a force, so obviously the force is part of it.

Electric dipole moment, however, is a moment of charge … force doesn't come into it. :smile:

(As for the cross product , I think dipole moment uses the geometric meaning of moment, without cross product, as in moment of inertia, moment of area, etc.

For the first moment, you multiply by one coordinate: Mi = (something) times xi

For the second moment (like an electric quadrupole moment), you multiply by two coordinates: Mij = (something) times xixj

and so on.)
 
Thread 'Motional EMF in Faraday disc, co-rotating magnet axial mean flux'
So here is the motional EMF formula. Now I understand the standard Faraday paradox that an axis symmetric field source (like a speaker motor ring magnet) has a magnetic field that is frame invariant under rotation around axis of symmetry. The field is static whether you rotate the magnet or not. So far so good. What puzzles me is this , there is a term average magnetic flux or "azimuthal mean" , this term describes the average magnetic field through the area swept by the rotating Faraday...
Back
Top