I Electric Dipole Moments: Sun, Earth, Planets, Minor Planets, Moons

[Philosophaie]

Is there a table of Electric Dipole Moments, $\bar p$, for the Sun, Earth, Planets, Minor Planets and Moons?

 

[davenn]

Is there a table of Electric Dipole Moments, $\bar p$, for the Sun, Earth, Planets, Minor Planets and Moons?

Hi there
you have marked your thread with an "I" tag signifying that you are a university undergrad.
So what research have you done so far into this ?
Is there anything specific that you found that you didn't understand and need clarification for ?cheers
Dave

 

[Philosophaie]

The planets, sun,moons,etc act like a dipole for their electromagnetic systems except for the solar wind ejected from the sun or star. The Magnetic Dipole Moment is given from the Table:
No. Body Magnetic Moment at Creation (J/T) Present Magnetic Moment (J/T)
1 Sun 4.65E+29 3.50E+29
2 Mercury 7.50E+22 3.80E+19
3 Venus 1.15E+24 8.00E+17
4 Earth 1.41E+24 7.98E+22
5 Moon 1.73E+22 1.30E+15
6 Mars 1.51E+23 2.10E+18
7 Jupiter 1.79E+27 1.55E+27
8 Saturn 1.34E+26 4.60E+25
9 Uranus 2.05E+25 3.00E+24
10 Neptune 2.42E+25 1.50E+24
11 Pluto 2.60E+24

I am looking for a similar one for the Electric Dipole Moment.

 

[Vanadium 50]

Why wouldn't the charge imbalance simply neutralize? And where did this table come from?

 

[Philosophaie]

The Electric is separate from the Magnetic. They do not neutralize. They are similar due to the $\bar r$. The Magnetic has the $\bar m$ and the Electric has $\bar p$.

 

[Vanadium 50]

Here's what I think - I think you got that table from a Creationist site, and that's why you are spouting non-sequiturs. "They do not neutralize" indeed. That's nonsense.

 

[Philosophaie]

They neutralize as r increases to large levels. With r near to the dipole it definitely has appreciable Electric and Magnetic Fields.

 

[Vanadium 50]

If you have a large charge imbalance on a planet-sized object, it neutralizes. Whether you think it does or not. And the fact that you still refuse to say where you got your table from merely reinforces my conclusion that you got it from a creationist site.

 

[Philosophaie]

No disrespect but what about a compass that magnetically faces North. The Electric Field and charge imbalance may be neutralized by the soil and core of the Earth but is it also neutralized in the atmosphere? Jupiter has a large Electric Field because it is mostly a Gas giant.

 

[berkeman]

Please post the references that V50 has asked for or this thread will be deleted...

 

[Philosophaie]

I could not find the link to the Creationist (Which I am Not) site but I found one similar:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?v...able&simid=608002761982020635&selectedIndex=7

This agrees with the Mpresent converted to the Magnetic Dipole Moment,m, in the link.

 

[berkeman]

I could not find the link to the Creationist (Which I am Not) site but I found one similar:

It would seem that you've asked about this before...

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/dipole-moments-of-the-planets-and-the-sun.268157/

 

[davenn]

I could not find the link to the Creationist (Which I am Not) site but I found one similar:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?v...able&simid=608002761982020635&selectedIndex=7

This agrees with the Mpresent converted to the Magnetic Dipole Moment,m, in the link.

that's just a table of numbers
It ISNT a reference to any professional paper

@berkeman ... this thread still isn't going anywhere useful

 

[Vanadium 50]

I could not find the link to the Creationist (Which I am Not) site

It doesn't matter if you are or not. If it is, as you say, a Creationist site, it's unscientific hogwash. And you should have come right out and admitted it rather than string us all along on false pretenses.

that's just a table of numbers

And it doesn't contain the dodgiest numbers, the moments "at Creation".

 

[berkeman]

Thread closed for Moderation. Que the theme music from the movie "Jaws"...

 

[jim mcnamara]

Thread closed. Substandard references.

 

[fresh_42]

@berkeman ... this thread still isn't going anywhere useful

I share this opinion.

Please post the references that V50 has asked for or this thread will be deleted...

In case there is a scientific source of your figures, please PM me so.