Electric Field due to infinite charge distribution seems a paradox

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electric field generated by an infinite uniform charge distribution. Participants explore various theoretical frameworks and calculations, questioning the implications of symmetry, the application of Gauss's Law, and the physical realizability of such charge distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that symmetry implies the electric field should be zero everywhere in space.
  • Another participant calculates the electric field inside a uniformly charged sphere and a uniformly charged cylinder, yielding different results, and questions the validity of these approaches.
  • One participant asserts that Gauss's Law cannot be applied due to the identification of a preferred point, claiming the electric field diverges everywhere in space.
  • A participant challenges the concept of a uniform infinite charge distribution, arguing that such a configuration cannot exist in reality and raises concerns about the convergence of integrals used in calculations.
  • Another participant elaborates on the divergence of the electric field, discussing the implications of boundary conditions and the mathematical treatment of the potential due to a charge distribution.
  • A later reply introduces the scenario of a closed conducting sphere with mobile space charge, suggesting that the electric field within the conductor would be neutralized by surface charge density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the electric field due to an infinite charge distribution, with no consensus reached on the correct answer or the validity of the various approaches discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the physical realizability of infinite charge distributions and the mathematical challenges posed by divergent integrals in the context of electric fields.

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Suppose everywhere in space charge is distributed with uniform and constant volume charge density. What will be Electric field at any point in space??
1>..Symmetry demands it to be zero,
2>..if I consider the space to be a sphere of infinite radius with constant charge density on its volume then using the formula of field inside a uniformly charged sphere of finite radius I get E=(p*r)/(3*Eo)
where p=charge density
r= distance from center of sphere
Eo=8.82*10^-12 (permittivity of free space)
3>..if I consider the space to be a cylinder of infinite radius and infinite length with constant charge density on its volume then using the formula of field inside a uniformly charged cylinder of finite radius and infinite length I get E=(p*r)/(2*Eo)
where p=charge density
r= distance from the axis of cylinder
Eo=8.82*10^-12 (permittivity of free space)

Different approaches give different answers. Why is that so? and Whats the correct answer?
 
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i don't have the answer to your question but i do have a thought
what is the shape of the universe?
 
Gauss's Law cannot be applied because you identified a preferred point (the center of the Gaussian spheres).

The answer is that field diverges everywhere in space.
 
what do you mean by diverging of field? Would you explain further?
 
This is not a charge configuration you can have in real life.
If you have some finite universe, it can work, and if it is symmetric (enough) the field is 0.
If you have an infinite universe, where do the charges come from?

The problem with your calculation is that you sum over something which is not absolute convergent, that means that the order of your summation (an integral is like a sum) does matter. In other words: Maxwell's equations are not applicable here.
 
sazmat said:
what do you mean by diverging of field? Would you explain further?

I was on my mobile device, so I didn't have time to type it.

If you don't have boundary conditions, then the Green's function for the problem is:
[tex] -\nabla^2_x \, G(\mathbf{x}, \mathbf{x}') = \delta(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}')[/tex]
[tex] G(\mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}') = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \, \frac{1}{\vert \mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}' \vert}[/tex]

Then, the potential due to a charge distribution [itex]\rho(\mathbf{x})[/itex] is given as:
[tex] \Phi(\mathbf{x}) = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \, \int{ \frac{\rho(\mathbf{x}')}{\vert \mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}' \vert} \, d\mathbf{x}'}[/tex]

For a uniform charge distribution [itex]\rho(\mathbf{x}') = \rho[/itex], you may take the charge density out of the volume integral:
[tex] \Phi(\mathbf{x}) = \frac{\rho}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \, \int{ \frac{1}{\vert \mathbf{x} - \mathbf{x}' \vert} \, d\mathbf{x}'}[/tex]

Then, you may be tempted to make the substitution [itex]\mathbf{x}' \rightarrow \mathbf{x}' + \mathbf{x}[/itex], so that the integrand no longer depends parametrically on [itex]\mathbf{x}[/itex]! A constant electric potential would give a zero gradient, i.e. no electric field.

However, the integral in spherical coordinates is:
[tex] \int{ \frac{1}{\vert \mathbf{x}' \vert} \, d\mathbf{x}'} = \int_{0}^{2\pi}{\int_{0}^{\pi}{\int_{0}^{\infty}{d\phi \, d\theta \, dr \, r \, \sin \theta}}}[/tex]
As you can see, the radial integral diverges quadratically.

Thus, the above substitution is illegitimate, and the electric potential is undefined.

If you wanted to impose an upper cutoff in the radial integral, then that would delimit a ball of charge with a large radius R. Then, the field rises linearly with distance and is radially distributed.
 
sazmat said:
Suppose everywhere in space charge is distributed with uniform and constant volume charge density. What will be Electric field at any point in space??
Consider a closed conducting sphere enclosing a volume with mobile space charge (like in a gas or plasma). There can not be an electric field within the sphere conductor, so the volume charge density inside the sphere is matched by an equal and opposite surface charge density on the inside wall of the sphere. Motion of charges in this volume will quickly neutralize on the sphere wall. So the "everywhere" space charge would be neutralized by enclosed conducting surfaces.
 

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