Electric field from a charged disk

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The discussion centers on the electric field generated by a uniformly charged disk and the confusion surrounding its behavior at the center of the disk. When evaluating the electric field at a distance z from the center, the integral yields a nonzero value when z is set to zero, which contradicts the expected result of zero due to symmetry. Participants clarify that the equation is only valid for z greater than zero, as the electric field is discontinuous at the surface of the disk. The mathematical expression does not account for the physical reality of the charge distribution at z equals zero, highlighting the limitations of the idealized model. Understanding this discontinuity is crucial for accurately interpreting electric fields near charged surfaces.
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This is rather strange and has been bugging me, from chapter 22 (Electric fields) of Resnick & Halliday:

So suppose you have a charged disk of radius ##R## (the disk has no thickness and charge is uniformly spread on the surface of the disk). If you are at a distance ##z## away from the center of the disk (and orthogonal to the disk), the net electric field you experience is:

## E = \frac{\displaystyle zσ}{\displaystyle 4ε_{0}}\int^{R}_{0}(z^{2}+r^{2})^{-3/2}(2r)dr ##

Now if ## z = 0 ##, then it is clear that the field will be 0. This makes sense, because if you are at the center of the disk, then symmetry will ensure that the field induced by all charge is canceled out by the charge diametrically opposite to it on the disk.

But if you actually evaluate the integral, you get
## E = \frac{\displaystyle σ}{\displaystyle 2ε_{0}}(1- \frac{\displaystyle z}{\displaystyle \sqrt{z^{2}+R^{2}}} )##

Now the problem with this is that if you set z=0 here, you end up something nonzero! What is the issue here? Thanks!

BiP
 
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The equation is only valid for ##z > 0##

The electric field (and magnetic field of a surface current) due to a surface charge is discontinuous when you cross the surface.
 
Why do you think the integral is non-zero?
 
voko said:
Why do you think the integral is non-zero?

Plugging in z=0 for the second expression yields a nonzero value.

BiP
 
Astrum answered the question, it isn't valid for ##z = 0##.
 
Bipolarity said:
Plugging in z=0 for the second expression yields a nonzero value.

When you integrate, you get ## 1/z - 1/\sqrt {R^2 + z^2} ##. This is clearly only valid when ## z > 0 ##. You can then talk about the limit of that at ## z = 0 ##, but the limit of a function does not have to be equal to the value of the function.

In this case, the function is not continuous at ## z = 0 ##. Physically this is because we are dealing with an idealized situation, where the charge is spread over a 2D domain. Obviously you can expect that the idealization works reasonably wellwhen you are far enough from the surface, so that its thickness (or non-thickness) can be neglected, but when you get very close you need a better physical model, so puzzling over why the mathematical device breaks down is rather pointless.
 
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