Electric field inside a dielectric sphere with cavity

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The discussion revolves around the electric field inside a dielectric sphere that contains a spherical cavity. Participants explore the implications of differing dielectric constants for the sphere and the cavity, particularly in relation to the application of concepts from other problems, such as the self-inductance of a toroid.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving a dielectric sphere with a cavity and questions how to treat the permittivity of an imaginary sphere used in calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that the imaginary sphere shares the same material properties as the surrounding sphere, though its influence on the result is uncertain.
  • A participant draws a comparison to a different problem involving a toroid with a gap, noting that the treatment of materials differs and raises questions about the correctness of the approach in the sphere case.
  • Further clarification is provided that in the toroid case, the problem is approached as a continuous circle with two materials rather than removing a section, which contrasts with the sphere scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the treatment of the imaginary sphere's permittivity and how it affects the results. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the implications of the differing materials in the two problems discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the application of dielectric constants and the assumptions made in different scenarios, particularly regarding charge distribution and material properties.

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Original Problem:

"A sphere of radius a is made of a nonconducting material that has a uniform volume charge density [PLAIN]http://jkwiens.com/2007/10/24/answer-electric-field-of-a-nonconducting-sphere-with-a-spherical-cavity/d2606be4e0cd2c9a6179c8f2e3547a85_2.gif. A spherical cavity of radius b is removed from sphere which is a distance z from the center of the sphere. Assume that a > z + b. What is the electric field in the cavity?"

I understand how to solve an ordinary problem like this, but what if the sphere has dielectric constant ε which is different from the cavity whose permittivity is ε0? When solving this, should I treat the imaginary small sphere with -ρ to have permittivity ε or ε0?
 
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The imaginary sphere has the same material as the sphere around it. Not sure if that influences the result at all.
 
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mfb said:
The imaginary sphere has the same material as the sphere around it. Not sure if that influences the result at all.
But when I was doing another problem which deals with calculating the self inductance of a toroid with a small gap, whose permeability is μ for the iron part and μ0 for the gap, the answer uses μ0 to calculate the B field in the gap (used "imaginary wire loop")...And the answer is definitely different using ε/ε0 in the sphere case. Still not sure why. Maybe the answer of that problem is wrong...
 
For the toroid magnet, you don't remove something, you treat it as circle with two different materials the whole time. And you don't have a charge distribution as you have here.
 
mfb said:
For the toroid magnet, you don't remove something, you treat it as circle with two different materials the whole time. And you don't have a charge distribution as you have here.
Woo that makes sense...Thanks!
 

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