Electric field lines of a sphere in a uniform electric field

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The discussion revolves around the electric field lines of a sphere placed in a uniform electric field, specifically addressing the equations and graphical representation using LaTeX/TikZ. Participants explore the nature of the sphere (charged, uncharged, conducting, or dielectric) and the implications for the electric field both inside and outside the sphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests equations for electric field lines in polar coordinates for a sphere in a uniform electric field.
  • Another participant questions whether the sphere is an uncharged conducting sphere and discusses the implications for field lines inside and at the surface.
  • A participant identifies the sphere as an uncharged dielectric and presents an equation for plotting field lines, but expresses uncertainty about the representation of a figure of eight inside the sphere.
  • Some participants express confusion about the figure of eight and the behavior of field lines inside the sphere, with one suggesting that the same equation may not apply inside.
  • There is a discussion about the assumption that field lines inside the sphere can be represented as parallel lines, with one participant arguing that this may not accurately reflect the external influences on the field.
  • Another participant explains that the uniform field inside the sphere is due to the charge distribution on the surface, which is influenced by the external field and the dipole field of the sphere.
  • Concerns are raised about the justification for surface charge distribution on the dielectric sphere, questioning the conditions under which such charges would arise.
  • A later reply clarifies that the dielectric sphere has a susceptibility different from the surrounding medium, leading to associated charges due to polarization, and provides an equation for the electric field inside the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of the sphere and the behavior of electric field lines, with no consensus reached on the implications of the figure of eight or the justification for surface charge distribution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the electric field behavior inside the sphere.

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Participants have not fully specified the problem, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions regarding the sphere's properties (conducting vs. dielectric) and the resulting electric field behavior.

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I need to draw electric field lines of sphere in uniform electric field with LaTeX/TikZ. Can anyone show me equation of field lines in polar coordinates?
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sergiokapone said:
I need to draw electric field lines of sphere in uniform electric field with LaTeX/TikZ. Can anyone show me equation of field lines in polar coordinates?
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Is this an uncharged conducting sphere? If so, why the field lines inside it, and what direction should the field lines be at the external surface?
 
Is the uncharged dielectric sphere. I found some equation
##r = \frac{k - \sin\phi}{E_0\sin\phi}## and plot the lines:
Code:
    \begin{tikzpicture}
        \clip(-4,-3) rectangle (4,3);
        \draw[red] (-4,0) -- (4,0);
        \foreach \i in {0,0.5,...,3} {
        \draw [thick, color=red, domain=0.05:3.1, samples=200, smooth]
        plot (xy polar cs:angle=\x r, radius={  (\i-sin(\x r))/(1*sin(\x r))  });
        \draw [thick, color=red, domain=0.05:3.1, samples=200, smooth]
        plot (xy polar cs:angle=\x r, radius={  (-\i+sin(\x r))/(1*sin(\x r))  });
        }
        \fill[white, draw=blue] (0,0) circle (1);
\end{tikzpicture}

I get

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Ok, so it is not a conductor. Looks reasonable, except that I am not sure what the figure of eight inside the sphere represents, or what the field lines are doing there.
 
haruspex said:
that I am not sure what the figure of eight inside the sphere represents, or what the field lines are doing there.

I am also not sure, but the nubber 8 inside is the sequence of eqution.
 
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sergiokapone said:
I am also not sure, but the nubber 8 inside is the sequence of eqution.
But... the same equation would not apply inside, would it?
 
haruspex said:
But... the same equation would not apply inside, would it?
Yes, the same equation would not apply inside. For lines inside I just draw series of parallel lines.
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sergiokapone said:
Yes, the same equation would not apply inside. For lines inside I just draw series of parallel lines.
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What is the basis for making them parallel inside? Surely those would be distorted by what is going on outside. There is a symmetry here.
 
Parallel lines inside is because fileld inside sphere (as well as for every "ellipsoid-like" body) is uniform. It uniform because charge distribution around surface is ##\sigma \propto \cos\phi##. Such distribution governing by boundary conditions and supperppsition of external uniform field and dipole field of sphere.
 
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sergiokapone said:
Parallel lines inside is because fileld inside sphere (as well as for every "ellipsoid-like" body) is uniform. It uniform because charge distribution around surface is ##\sigma \propto \cos\phi##. Such distribution governing by boundary conditions and supperppsition of external uniform field and dipole field of sphere.
You still have not clearly specified the problem. You have explained that the sphere contains dielectric material, but why should there be a surface charge as you describe? If it is a conductor there is no field inside; if an insulator why should there be a surface charge distribution?
Or maybe I am just out of my depth.
 
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Oh, sorry I forgetting to say, the dielectric sphere has the susceptibility ##\epsilon_2## differ from susceptibility of media ##\epsilon_1##, thus there is associated charges on the sphere (due to polarization)

##\sigma' = \frac{3}{4\pi} \frac{\epsilon_1 - \epsilon_2}{\epsilon_1 + 2\epsilon_2} \frac{\vec E_0\vec{r}}{R}.##

Of course, if ##\epsilon_2 =\epsilon_1## there is no charges around sphere.
The field inside sphere is ##E =\frac{3\epsilon_2}{\epsilon_2 + 2\epsilon_1}E_0##
 
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