Electric field lines of H2O molecule

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The discussion focuses on the electric field lines of the H2O molecule, specifically addressing the modeling of the oxygen atom as a conducting sphere of radius R. Key points include the necessity of integrating the volume charge density to achieve a total of zero, and the requirement for the number of electric field lines entering the sphere to be double that of the lines exiting. Participants emphasize the use of Dirac delta functions for charge distribution and the behavior of charges on conductors, noting that charge does not concentrate at the center but spreads uniformly across the surface.

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Homework Statement
In the limit R=0, e.g., when the Oxygen ion is a point charge:
a) Write down the volume charge density (15pts)
b) Draw the electric field lines far away from charges (25pts)
c) Draw the electric field lines near the point charges (25 points)
d) At finite radius R, draw the lines near the charges
Relevant Equations
p=q/v
I wanted to post my work so far to see if I am on the right path toward the correct answer so far.

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Part (a) does not look correct. Remember, when you integrate the volume charge density over all space, you should get zero. Also, you are told to model the oxygen as a conducting sphere of radius R. Is the charge distributed uniformly over the volume of the sphere?

Part (c) needs some fixing. You must have twice as many lines going into the sphere as coming out of either one of the charges. Do you see why? Parts (b) and (d) look OK.
 
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kuruman said:
Part (a) does not look correct. Remember, when you integrate the volume charge density over all space, you should get zero. Also, you are told to model the oxygen as a conducting sphere of radius R. Is the charge distributed uniformly over the volume of the sphere?

Part (c) needs some fixing. You must have twice as many lines going into the sphere as coming out of either one of the charges. Do you see why? Parts (b) and (d) look OK.
for part (a) it should be zero because I followed the diract delta function, I should get a spike at the center and zero all over space correct?

part (c), Is this due to having 2 electrons?
 
quittingthecult said:
for part (a) it should be zero because I followed the diract delta function, I should get a spike at the center and zero all over space correct?

part (c), Is this due to having 2 electrons?
You need Dirac deltas for all three charges. When you put charge -2e on a conductor of radius R, does the charge go to the center?

For part (c) draw Gaussian surfaces around each charge. The number of electric field lines coming out or going in must be proportional to the enclosed charge.
 
kuruman said:
You need Dirac deltas for all three charges. When you put charge -2e on a conductor of radius R, does the charge go to the center?

For part (c) draw Gaussian surfaces around each charge. The number of electric field lines coming out or going in must be proportional to the enclosed charge.
No it wouldn't go to the center. It would spread evenly on the surface. So for the electron it should be,
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I am not sure about the protons though? I don't know the center of the protons.
 
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No it wouldn't go to the center. It would spread evenly on the surface. So for the electron it should be,
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I am not sure about the protons though? I don't know the center of the protons.
You mean for the ion, not electron. Start by stating what the charge density functions should be over three ranges centred on the ion: 0 to R, R to d, and > d. Then try to figure out how to write that in ##\delta## functions. And don't confuse the ##\delta## function with its integral.

You are told to treat the protons as point charges.

In c) you are only asked for the field lines near the protons. Though it is not made very clear, d) is the corresponding question for the ion, and the figure should not show the protons.
 

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