Electric Field of an Electromagnetic Wave

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the electric field in electromagnetic (EM) waves, specifically comparing it to electric fields generated by static charges, such as electrons. Participants explore the implications of low-frequency EM waves and the characteristics of electric fields in different contexts.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Enrique questions whether the electric field of an EM wave is fundamentally different from the electric field produced by static charges, such as those from electrons.
  • One participant explains that there are two sources of electric fields: from electric charges and from Faraday's law of induction, suggesting that both types of fields are effectively identical under certain conditions.
  • The same participant mentions that the effects of the Faraday induction field on electrons are comparable to those of static charge electric fields, referencing the betatron as an example.
  • Another participant humorously refers to the betatron and its name origin, indicating a playful engagement with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the electric field in EM waves versus static electric fields, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific physical concepts and historical inventions, which may require further context for full understanding. The implications of low-frequency EM waves and their electric fields remain unclear and are not fully explored.

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Hello !
I have a very old doubt about Electromagnetic Waves, I hope somebody can help me.
Is the electric field of an EM wave really an Electric Field?
I mean, what is the difference between that E field and an Electric field produced by, for example, an electron?
If we have an EM wave, polarized, with a ver very low frequency, then in some point of the space we will see a constant Electric field? like if it was generated by a charged particle or body?

Thanks !
Enrique.
 
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There are two sources of an electric field E; a) the gradient of a potential (times -1) from electric charges, like electrons or protons, and b) the Faraday's law of induction (also times -1) as a result of the time derivative of a magnetic field in an encircling loop. Aside from the fact that only one of these can be a DC field, the two electric fields are identical, unless you look in a mirror. In a mirror, the sign of electric charges are unchanged, so the electric field is the same. On the other hand, the right hand rule in Faraday induction, if applied to the mirror reflection, will change the sign of the electric field in the loop. So unless you look very carefully, there is no difference between the electric field from real charges or from the curl E equation (in Maxwell's equations).

To show that the Faraday induction field has the same effect on an electron as the electric field of static charges, study the physics of the betatron, invented by Professor Kerst at the University of Illinois in 1940 to accelerate electrons.
 
Bob S said:
To show that the Faraday induction field has the same effect on an electron as the electric field of static charges, study the physics of the betatron, invented by Professor Kerst at the University of Illinois in 1940 to accelerate electrons.

I think you mean the "Ausserordentlichhochgeschwindigkeitelektronenentwickelndenschwerarbeitsbeigollitron" thank you very much.
 
Yes. The name "betatron" (a reference to the beta particle, a fast electron) was chosen during a departmental contest. Other proposals were rheotron, inductron, and even Ausserordentlichhochgeschwindigkeitelektronenentwickelndenschwerarbeitsbeigollitron, supposedly German for "extraordinarily high-speed electron producing hard work by golly-tron.". Maybe there should be an acronym, similar to FLAK.
 

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