Electric Potential: Derive Expression for Vxy

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The discussion focuses on deriving the potential difference (V) between two points, X and Y, in an electric field created by a point charge +Q. The initial expression for Vxy is presented as the difference in potentials at points Y and X, leading to a formula involving their respective distances from the charge. Participants note the complexity of the problem, suggesting it may require a deeper understanding of electric fields and work done against electric forces. A correction is highlighted regarding the need for a negative sign in the force expression, emphasizing the importance of accuracy in calculations. The conversation underscores the nuances of deriving electric potential from different principles, while maintaining that electric potential is a scalar quantity.
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Homework Statement


Derive an expression for p.d , V between point X and point Y in an electric field due to a single point charge +Q as shown in the figure attached .


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Vxy=Vy-Vx

=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_o r_y}-\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_o r_x}

=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_o}(\frac{1}{r_y}-\frac{1}{r_x})

I guess it's not that simple , because this question carries 5 marks .

sorry , i am not sure which is the icon to wrap these math codes .. could someone pls modify my post ?
 
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thereddevils said:
I guess it's not that simple , because this question carries 5 marks .
Looks OK to me. Were you supposed to derive it from the electric field?

sorry , i am not sure which is the icon to wrap these math codes .. could someone pls modify my post ?
To use Latex, wrap it with tex tags:
[tag]x^2[/tag] = x^2

replace 'tag' with 'tex'
 
Doc Al said:
Looks OK to me. Were you supposed to derive it from the electric field?


To use Latex, wrap it with tex tags:
[tag]x^2[/tag] = x^2

replace 'tag' with 'tex'

thanks , but this is another way of doing it ..

Vxy=Vy-Vx

and from work definition , dW=F dr

V_{xy}=\frac{F dr}{q}-\frac{F dr}{q}

=\frac{1}{q}\int^{r_y}_{\infty} F dr-\frac{1}{q}\int^{r_x}_{\infty} F dr

=\frac{1}{q}\int^{r_y}_{r_x} \frac{Qq}{4\pi \epsilon_o r^2}

=\frac{Q}{4\pi \epsilon_o }[-\frac{1}{r}]^{r_y}_{r_x}

=\frac{Q}{4\pi \epsilon_o }(\frac{1}{r_x}-\frac{1}{r_y})

When it's derived from the definition of electric potentials , the final products are different , or can i say since electric potential is a scalar , so that shouldn't matter ?
 
thereddevils said:
When it's derived from the definition of electric potentials , the final products are different , or can i say since electric potential is a scalar , so that shouldn't matter ?
You need to calculate the work done per unit charge against the electric force, so you're missing a minus sign in the expression for force. (Signs matter!)
 
Doc Al said:
You need to calculate the work done per unit charge against the electric force, so you're missing a minus sign in the expression for force. (Signs matter!)

oh , thank you very much sir !
 
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