Electric Potential in Coiled Blood Vessels?

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The discussion centers on the concept of creating a biological solenoid by coiling a blood vessel, exploring the feasibility of generating electric current through the movement of ions in blood. Key points include the inquiry into whether sufficient current could be produced by ionic species like K+, Cl-, and Na+ traveling through a blood vessel. The conversation raises questions about the necessary size, number of coils, and blood velocity to achieve this, as well as concerns regarding the internal shear stresses that coiling might impose on the vessel. Additionally, it is noted that while blood and body fluids carry no net charge, the presence of proteins and the concept of the anion gap are discussed in relation to ionic movement. The distinction is made between this theoretical approach and the micro-currents associated with muscle and nerve activity, emphasizing the complexity of the topic and the brainstorming nature of the inquiry.
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The basis behind electric energy is the movement of electrons or ions through a wire or medium. That is simple. I know that blood vessels carry ions such as K+, Cl-, and Na+ through them in varying concentrations.

What I want to know is if it would be viable to create a biological solenoid by using a scaffold or some other means to coil a blood vessel. Here are a few questions I have thought of.

-would there be sufficient current created by ionic species traveling through a blood vessel?
-what size, number of coils, and interluminal blood velocity might be needed?
-would internal sheer stresses created by the coiling be too much?

I understand that this is a pretty complicated and hypothetical question and I don't really expect an "answer". I am mainly here for brainstorming purposes.

Thanks for your help.
 
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petersdt said:
The basis behind electric energy is the movement of electrons or ions through a wire or medium. That is simple. I know that blood vessels carry ions such as K+, Cl-, and Na+ through them in varying concentrations.

What I want to know is if it would be viable to create a biological solenoid by using a scaffold or some other means to coil a blood vessel. Here are a few questions I have thought of.

-would there be sufficient current created by ionic species traveling through a blood vessel?
-what size, number of coils, and interluminal blood velocity might be needed?
-would internal sheer stresses created by the coiling be too much?

I understand that this is a pretty complicated and hypothetical question and I don't really expect an "answer". I am mainly here for brainstorming purposes.

Thanks for your help.

This may be more of a physics question, but blood and other body fluids carry no net charge. Proteins in particular buffer disassociated acids. It's mostly such unmeasured anions that fill the so called "anion gap" which is merely a useful figure of speech. When the the anion gap is increased above normal, this is an indication of extracellular metabolic acidosis such as as might be seen with diabetic ketoacidosis, but there is still no net charge except perhaps very briefly and randomly at the molecular level. Essentially, we see the consumption of base (such as bicarbonate ions) and compensation mechanisms by way of the kidneys and lungs.

EDIT: This is not to be confused with the micro-currents and resting potentials associated with polarization and depolarization of muscles and nerves.
 
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