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The discussion revolves around the design of a lead compensator for a control system represented by a given transfer function. Participants explore the requirements for achieving closed-loop stability, specifically focusing on transient response characteristics such as overshoot and settling time. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and attempts to derive necessary parameters for the compensator design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transfer function and outlines the requirements for the lead compensator, including the desired overshoot and settling time.
  • Another participant questions the representation of the lead compensator and emphasizes the importance of feedback in the stability condition.
  • A participant provides a standard form for the lead compensator and expresses uncertainty about the origin of a specific formula from the solutions manual.
  • Discussion includes the characteristic equation for stability and the need for the compensator's gain to be defined, with some participants noting the range of possible values for stability.
  • One participant references equations for maximum phase angle and frequency, expressing confusion about how to relate these to the problem at hand.
  • Another participant suggests that the maximum phase shift and magnitude of the compensator might be relevant to the design but acknowledges uncertainty in deriving specific values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the compensator design and the associated mathematical relationships. There is no consensus on the specific derivations or the interpretation of certain formulas, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of certain parameters, such as the break frequencies and the specific values for T and β. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that affect the discussion.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in electrical engineering, particularly those focused on control systems and compensator design. It may also benefit individuals looking for collaborative problem-solving approaches in technical homework scenarios.

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Homework Statement



I'm given the following transfer function that represents a physical apparatus

G(s) = \frac{X(s)}{F(s)} = \frac{3.333*10^{4}}{s^{2}}

I'm asked to design a lead compensator to achieve closed-loop stability. The requirements are that it must have a transient response of 16% overshoot, a settling time of 2 mS for a step input.

Homework Equations



ζ = -\frac{ln(\frac{OS}{100})}{\sqrt{∏^{2} + ln^{2}(\frac{OS}{100})}}
ω_{BW} = \frac{4}{T_{s}ζ}\sqrt{(1-2ζ) + \sqrt{4ζ^{4} - 4ζ^{2} + 2}}
Θ_{m} = arctan(\frac{2ζ}{\sqrt{-2ζ^{2} + \sqrt{1 + 4ζ^{4}}}})

The Attempt at a Solution



I've spent some time trying to solve this problem. I've looked through my notes, my textbook, the internet and still am lost. I've looked at the solutions manual and it doesn't seem to help either. So I was hoping that someone could point me in the right direction.

I start off by finding the damping ratio since

ζ = -\frac{ln(\frac{OS}{100})}{\sqrt{∏^{2} + ln^{2}(\frac{OS}{100})}} = -\frac{ln(\frac{16}{100})}{\sqrt{∏^{2}+ln^{2}(\frac{16}{100})}} ≈ 0.503

I know find the bandwidth frequency ω_{BW}

ω_{BW} = \frac{4}{T_{s}ζ}\sqrt{(1-2ζ) + \sqrt{4ζ^{4} - 4ζ^{2} + 2}} = \frac{4(10^{3} mS)}{(2 mS)(0.503) S}\sqrt{(1-2(0.503)^{2}) + \sqrt{4(0.503)^{4} - 4(0.503)^{2} +2}} ≈ 5,044.122 \frac{1}{S}

Next I find the gain evaluated at jω_{BW} G(jω_{BW})

G(jω_{BW}) = \frac{3.333*10^{4}}{(j5,044.122 \frac{1}{S}} ≈ -0.131*10^{-2}

Next I find the phase margin Θ_{m}

Θ_{m} = arctan(\frac{2ζ}{\sqrt{-2ζ^{2} + \sqrt{1 + 4ζ^{4}}}}) = arctan(\frac{2(0.503)}{\sqrt{-2(0.503)^{2} + \sqrt{1 + 4(0.503)^{4}}}}) ≈ 52.068°

I'm not really sure were to go from here but all of the above work seems right and are all formulas that I can find in my book. The solutions manual does this next

0.013K = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

and solves for K. I'm not sure where this formula comes from. The solutions manual says it's the compensators gain. But that doesn't really help me. The equation is clearly

G(jω_{BW})K = ?

I'm not really sure what the right side of the equation is.

Thanks for any help.
 
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Whats the representation for lead compensator? Closed loop stability implies you're using feedback, and the stability condition is:

1 + G(s)*C(s) = 0, where C(s) is your compensator.

Edit: You'll also want to add a gain K in front of the compensator...so K doesn't just appear out of nowhere. Also for stability, the solution for K usually has a given range of possible values (like K between 0 and 5), so you solutions manual exact solution for K is odd to me.

Edit2: Should've been more clear, for the characteristic equation I gave you above, the roots of that equation are equivalent to the poles of the system and therefore must be in the left half plane for stability.
 
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For a lead network G_{c}(s) = \frac{1}{β}\frac{s + \frac{1}{T}}{s + \frac{1}{βT}} I'm still unsure where \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} came from though. There's a standard representation for the compensator C(s)?

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From the characteristic equation

1 + kG(s)C(s) = 0
kG(s)C(s) = -1
kG(s) = - \frac{1}{C(s)}

This is apparently what the solutions manual is doing? And apparently C(s) = -\sqrt{2} But I'm not sure why it's -\sqrt{2} had not had the solutions manual and not sure were that came from
 
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its something like what you wrote: C(s) = (s + a)/(s + b), where conditions on a,b determine if its lead or lag. Your lead network form is more useful because there exists equations for T and beta.

Have you tried to solve for T,beta? Then its likely the 1/sqrt(2) falls out of the stability condition 1 + KGC = 0
 
My text says that we can find the frequency, ω_{max} at which the maximum phase angle, Θ_{max}, occurs

ω_{max} = \frac{1}{T\sqrt{β}}

But this doesn't really seem to help since I don't know the frequency ω_{max}, unless it's the bandwidth frequency ω_{BW}, which I don't think it is.

My text also states that the maximum phase shift of the compensator θ_{max} is

θ_{max} = arctan(\frac{1 - β}{2\sqrt{β}}) = arcsin(\frac{1 - β}{1 + β})

Which doesn't really help since I don't know what θ_{max}.

My text also states that the compensator's magnitude at ω_{max} is

|G_{c}(jω_{max})| = \frac{1}{\sqrt{β}}

This equation looks strongly similar to where I got stuck. If this correct than β = 2. Which I'm not sure how was obtained exactly.

Thanks for your help

My gut says use the bandwidth frequency in this equation

ω_{max} = \frac{1}{T\sqrt{β}}
Tω_{BW} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{B}} = T(5,044.122 \frac{1}{s}) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{β}}

But I'm unsure what I'm supposed to use for T. Apparently if I'm not mistaken \frac{1}{T} and \frac{1}{βT} are the break frequencies which I don't know how to obtain without the Bode Plot
 

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