Electrical Engineering (Nodal analysis problem)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving nodal analysis to find the output voltage Vo in a given electrical circuit. Participants explore various approaches to applying nodal analysis, including the use of supernodes and the implications of voltage sources.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to use supernodes in their solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem can be solved with the chosen nodes but notes a missing current in the initial equation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the current through a specific voltage source and resistor, leading to a discussion on the correct application of KVL in the circuit.
  • It is proposed that using Norton's equivalents for voltage sources may simplify the nodal analysis process.
  • A participant reports difficulty in obtaining the correct answer, stating that the expected result is Vo = 2.778V.
  • Another participant points out inconsistencies in current directions within the participant's node equations, suggesting a need for adjustments to achieve consistency.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has gained clarity on the problem after receiving guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the problem, as there are multiple suggestions and some unresolved questions regarding the application of nodal analysis and the handling of current directions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight potential issues with current direction consistency in equations, and there are references to specific components and their relationships that may not be fully resolved.

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Hi sykoh2. Welcome to Physics Forums.

You should be able to complete the problem with the nodes you've chosen, provided that you make sure to include all the branches! (In the "@Node 1" equation you started with, you failed to include in the sum the current through the branch with B1 and R4).

You might also note that V2, the voltage at node 2, is identical to Vo which you're trying to find.
 
Hi gneill, just to confirm with you what is the current through the voltage of the 3V source and the 1 ohm resistor, is it (3V - 0V) / 1 ohm?
 
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Hi gneill, just to confirm with you what is the current through the voltage of the 3V source and the 1 ohm resistor, is it (3V - 0V) / 1 ohm?

Nope. The voltage at the top of R4 will be V1 - B1. Think of a branch as a stack of component from the ground (reference) node up to the node that you're writing the node equation for. Essentially you're doing a KVL pass through those components with an assumed current value and direction for the branch. So for this branch you have:

V1 - B1 - I*R4 = 0

which gives I = (V1 - B1)/R4 for the branch current.
 
Hi sykoh2. It usually makes nodal analysis much easier if you replace the voltage sources with their Nortons equivalents. Doing this makes your problem quite a lot easier.
 
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Hi all, I had try to solve it, but no matter how I try to solve i just can;t get the correct answer. The ans is Vo = 2.778V. Any guide? Thanks.

In your Node 1 equation you're not being consistent in your current directions.

When you write (V2 - V1)/3 that's the current flowing from node 2 INTO node 1. When you write (4V2 - V1)/5 that's the current flowing from the controlled source INTO node 1. When you write (V1 - 3)/1, that's the current flowing OUT of node 1 to the ground node. Surely this latter current must EQUAL the sum of the other two.

If you want to make the equation consistent and sum to zero, change the sign of the the last term.
 
okay, Thanks for the guidance, I get a clearer pictures of how to solve it. Thanks. :)
 

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